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The issue of being a Cypriot

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Kifeas » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:12 pm

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pappy_sydney wrote:I want all the people who claims to be Greek or Turk to live the Island. Whoever realize that we are all Cypriots, regardless what language they speak, they are the only ones can lift the division for good on the island

this is nonsense actually, how can a cypriot who is greek forget his own culture, identity, history, blood so that there can be a fake cypriot nationality compromising greeks and turks in the stupid belief that this will lead to peace...comon wake up......only tolerating and respecting each others identities as greeks and turks will provide a solution......we are cypriots in the same sense as a bosnian croat or serb is a bosnian or a kosovar albanian is a kosovar


ORKIZOME PISTH EIS THN PATRIDA STON THEO KAI STON ALLAH NA SYNERGAZOME ME TOYS TOURKOUS THS KYPROY KAI NA ALLAXO RIZES KAI DERMA NA GINO KYPRAIOS APOGONOS TOU HOUSEIN KAI TOU HOJA/ ORKIZOME NA MATHO NA GRAFO kYPRIAKA (This is the most difficult of all) kai na apofevgo na kano pascha kai christougenna gia na min prosvallo tous sevastous moy progonous.

Orkizome na katastrepso oti varvaro mnimeio dimioyrgisan oi barbaroi eisvoleis apo tin Ellada kai na milo kai asxoloume monon me ta aristourgimata pou dimeiourgise to doxasmeno Ethnos ton Kyprion opos as poume ton soutsouko.

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Postby Piratis » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:27 pm

Being Greek/Turkish AND Cypriot is not something mutually exclusive.

Cyprus is not the only multi-ethnic country in the world. Take the USA for example. They have African Americans, Greek Americans, Italian Americans etc. There is absolutely no problem with that as long as the differences between the different ethnic groups are not used as an excuse for conflicts and discriminations.

If there are such conflicts then indeed a way to end them is to just force everybody to be the same. However forcing people to give up part of what they are is not easy and can backfire, creating even more conflicts.

A better alternative in ending such conflicts is to ensure the equality of all people regardless of their ethnic background, based on mutual respect. Also, instead of emphasizing and exploiting the few differences, what should be emphasized are the much more common things that Cypriots as a whole have regardless of their ethnic background.

Just like in the USA, what we should have in Cyprus should be equal Cypriot citizens. Beyond that, everybody is free to call himself just Cypriot, Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, Armenian Cypriot, Latin Cypriot, Maronite Cypriot, Russian Cypriot, Martian or whatever he feels like.
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:32 pm

Piratis wrote:Being Greek/Turkish AND Cypriot is not something mutually exclusive.

Cyprus is not the only multi-ethnic country in the world. Take the USA for example. They have African Americans, Greek Americans, Italian Americans etc. There is absolutely no problem with that as long as the differences between the different ethnic groups are not used as an excuse for conflicts and discriminations.

If there are such conflicts then indeed a way to end them is to just force everybody to be the same. However forcing people to give up part of what they are is not easy and can backfire, creating even more conflicts.

A better alternative in ending such conflicts is to ensure the equality of all people regardless of their ethnic background, based on mutual respect. Also, instead of emphasizing and exploiting the few differences, what should be emphasized are the much more common things that Cypriots as a whole have regardless of their ethnic background.

Just like in the USA, what we should have in Cyprus should be equal Cypriot citizens. Beyond that, everybody is free to call himself just Cypriot, Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, Armenian Cypriot, Latin Cypriot, Maronite Cypriot, Russian Cypriot, Martian or whatever he feels like.


To this Yes we can fully agree however with ephasie to EQUAL CITIZENS-no one to have more rights than the other
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:38 pm

Kifeas wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
pappy_sydney wrote:I want all the people who claims to be Greek or Turk to live the Island. Whoever realize that we are all Cypriots, regardless what language they speak, they are the only ones can lift the division for good on the island

this is nonsense actually, how can a cypriot who is greek forget his own culture, identity, history, blood so that there can be a fake cypriot nationality compromising greeks and turks in the stupid belief that this will lead to peace...comon wake up......only tolerating and respecting each others identities as greeks and turks will provide a solution......we are cypriots in the same sense as a bosnian croat or serb is a bosnian or a kosovar albanian is a kosovar


ORKIZOME PISTH EIS THN PATRIDA STON THEO KAI STON ALLAH NA SYNERGAZOME ME TOYS TOURKOUS THS KYPROY KAI NA ALLAXO RIZES KAI DERMA NA GINO KYPRAIOS APOGONOS TOU HOUSEIN KAI TOU HOJA/ ORKIZOME NA MATHO NA GRAFO kYPRIAKA (This is the most difficult of all) kai na apofevgo na kano pascha kai christougenna gia na min prosvallo tous sevastous moy progonous.

Orkizome na katastrepso oti varvaro mnimeio dimioyrgisan oi barbaroi eisvoleis apo tin Ellada kai na milo kai asxoloume monon me ta aristourgimata pou dimeiourgise to doxasmeno Ethnos ton Kyprion opos as poume ton soutsouko.

ORKIZOME


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KIFEA, Can you exclude me from your replies- You look so logic and a crazy like me can not communicate
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Re: The issue of being a Cypriot

Postby Get Real! » Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:21 pm

pitsilos wrote:
The issue of being a Cypriot


it exactly sums my thoughts and sentiments

:shock: My brain gave up trying to understand this badly written crap.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:13 pm

Piratis wrote:Being Greek/Turkish AND Cypriot is not something mutually exclusive.

Cyprus is not the only multi-ethnic country in the world. Take the USA for example. They have African Americans, Greek Americans, Italian Americans etc. There is absolutely no problem with that as long as the differences between the different ethnic groups are not used as an excuse for conflicts and discriminations.

If there are such conflicts then indeed a way to end them is to just force everybody to be the same. However forcing people to give up part of what they are is not easy and can backfire, creating even more conflicts.

A better alternative in ending such conflicts is to ensure the equality of all people regardless of their ethnic background, based on mutual respect. Also, instead of emphasizing and exploiting the few differences, what should be emphasized are the much more common things that Cypriots as a whole have regardless of their ethnic background.

Just like in the USA, what we should have in Cyprus should be equal Cypriot citizens. Beyond that, everybody is free to call himself just Cypriot, Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, Armenian Cypriot, Latin Cypriot, Maronite Cypriot, Russian Cypriot, Martian or whatever he feels like.


To little to late Piratis, it may have worked back in 1960 but that boat left a long time ago. Now you have 2 divided communities north and south, so the only viable solution is BBF, where you administer the south and we north where all Cypriots can choose which state they wish to live, joining together at the federal level where by we have political equality as prescribed by the UN.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:19 am

It is never too late. We have passed under many invadors and oppressors before, and no invader or lame excuses will stop us from keep fighting for what is right.
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Postby humanist » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:27 am

Huseyin, I tottaly agree with you 100% I will be in Cyprus mid November for a month and it would be my pleasure to meet you.

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Postby boomerang » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:32 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Being Greek/Turkish AND Cypriot is not something mutually exclusive.

Cyprus is not the only multi-ethnic country in the world. Take the USA for example. They have African Americans, Greek Americans, Italian Americans etc. There is absolutely no problem with that as long as the differences between the different ethnic groups are not used as an excuse for conflicts and discriminations.

If there are such conflicts then indeed a way to end them is to just force everybody to be the same. However forcing people to give up part of what they are is not easy and can backfire, creating even more conflicts.

A better alternative in ending such conflicts is to ensure the equality of all people regardless of their ethnic background, based on mutual respect. Also, instead of emphasizing and exploiting the few differences, what should be emphasized are the much more common things that Cypriots as a whole have regardless of their ethnic background.

Just like in the USA, what we should have in Cyprus should be equal Cypriot citizens. Beyond that, everybody is free to call himself just Cypriot, Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, Armenian Cypriot, Latin Cypriot, Maronite Cypriot, Russian Cypriot, Martian or whatever he feels like.


To little to late Piratis, it may have worked back in 1960 but that boat left a long time ago. Now you have 2 divided communities north and south, so the only viable solution is BBF, where you administer the south and we north where all Cypriots can choose which state they wish to live, joining together at the federal level where by we have political equality as prescribed by the UN.


you seem to throw the un around a lot and her prescriptions....what esle has the un prescriped for cyprus?...any resolutions by any chance?

if you gonna go down the un path, see if you can manage to go all the way...
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:38 am

boomerang wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:Being Greek/Turkish AND Cypriot is not something mutually exclusive.

Cyprus is not the only multi-ethnic country in the world. Take the USA for example. They have African Americans, Greek Americans, Italian Americans etc. There is absolutely no problem with that as long as the differences between the different ethnic groups are not used as an excuse for conflicts and discriminations.

If there are such conflicts then indeed a way to end them is to just force everybody to be the same. However forcing people to give up part of what they are is not easy and can backfire, creating even more conflicts.

A better alternative in ending such conflicts is to ensure the equality of all people regardless of their ethnic background, based on mutual respect. Also, instead of emphasizing and exploiting the few differences, what should be emphasized are the much more common things that Cypriots as a whole have regardless of their ethnic background.

Just like in the USA, what we should have in Cyprus should be equal Cypriot citizens. Beyond that, everybody is free to call himself just Cypriot, Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, Armenian Cypriot, Latin Cypriot, Maronite Cypriot, Russian Cypriot, Martian or whatever he feels like.


To little to late Piratis, it may have worked back in 1960 but that boat left a long time ago. Now you have 2 divided communities north and south, so the only viable solution is BBF, where you administer the south and we north where all Cypriots can choose which state they wish to live, joining together at the federal level where by we have political equality as prescribed by the UN.


you seem to throw the un around a lot and her prescriptions....what esle has the un prescriped for cyprus?...any resolutions by any chance?

if you gonna go down the un path, see if you can manage to go all the way...

Good post young aspiring forumner.

VP probably started reading these but he got tired and gave up... :lol:
http://www.un.int/cyprus/resolut.htm
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