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Postby miltiades » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:01 pm

Bananiot wrote:The problem is, the west learned and adopted the greek civilisation and its values, whereas we did not. We hardly know them really but what can you expect from barbarians that just learned greek?


In the early 60s the Greeks were mostly preoccupied with demonstrating - their most favourable past time - with the Chilean political scene . In the very early 60s they were busily mending their communications systems - they were unaware the Turkey had bombed Western Cyprus !! A little later they got rid of their King and installed a military junta . In 1974 , Turkey invaded Cyprus and the Greeks were running around like headless chickens searching for their balls !! There was none to be found .
In 2008 there are still Cypriots who beleive that this nation is their motherland and that Turkey better not have any further ambitions on Cyprus because their perceived motherland , still without any balls , will come to our aid !!!
What we need on our side are the T/Cs to whom we must address our genuine wishes to live together on this island as free people with equality and justice for all , where their human rights would be just as sacred as our human rights , together we send Turkey a strong message , Get out of our Cyprus , not our Greek Cyprus but our Cyprus , praise our nation not with a national foreign anthem that is unrepresentative of them and us , make them understand that this island is independent and it is Cypriot in every sense of the world , we are , and we must insist we are , one nation , one people with one identity , the proud Cypriot one .

That we are also two communities is undeniable , but also undeniable is that we are all Cypriots first whose allegiance is to Cyprus.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:03 pm

Miltiades you are a moral, ethical and gutless coward .... and you know what I mean!
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Postby waldorf » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:15 pm

Milti,

I am in full agreement with your last entry, but don't you think it's pie in the sky ?
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Postby miltiades » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:34 pm

Who was it some years back in the USA who said " I have a dream ... the rest is history !!

Oracle , what in your mind constitutes a moral ethical and gutless coward . Put up or shut up.
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:02 pm

I asked her if she has read any of the classics and she answered "only in English". Pity she did not read them in mandarin ...
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Postby Michael Coumas » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:03 pm

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I rarely post on this forum and have resisted as much as I could over these past months / years. I must, however, side with your general views although I am not too amoured with US & UK foreign policy as exhibited over the last decade or so.
I too would not want to be in a position to rely on Greece in any form of diplomatic row with anybody. Like you I lived through the late 50's, 60's and 70's and although I can appreciate and welcome the cultural ties we have, like you,. I believe we are an autonomous sovereign state and as such should promote ourselves as such. I cannot tell you how sad I feel each time I see a Greek flag flying in Cyprus at the expence of a Cypriot flag. Why do we insist on denying our identity? we might be small and perhaps insignificant in the eyes of greater powers but I & I guess you would too stand up & be counted for what I am even if I was the last one remaining.
I have been to Greece once, by default, in 1974 whilst on the way home to Cyprus we only got as far as Greece as the invasion was taking place. My family sufferred as thousands did but I did let my hosts know my views on the junta which went down like a lead balloon. At the time I got the impression they expected me to be grateful & I clearly remember a heated argument with a woman in a restaurant (had she have been male I would have launched her - but I was just 26 at the time) Enough said.
I will always defend the right for others to have opposing views to me but I do sometimes despair at the apparrent inability for some of us to see beyond the end of our noses and accept that dialogue and compromise (not the same as capitulation) is the only way forward. However being Cypriots I guess we need something to blame for all ill's from sore throat to occupation so perhaps a solution to our problems might just turn up more problems than it solves.
I wish you, yours and all other humanitarian contributors to these pages a peaceful Christmas, healthy new year and may your God be with you. I guess we all live in hope but in our own way.
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:11 pm

Welcome to the club Michael, nice to have you on our side.
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Postby miltiades » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:47 pm

Michael Coumas wrote:Miltiades
I rarely post on this forum and have resisted as much as I could over these past months / years. I must, however, side with your general views although I am not too amoured with US & UK foreign policy as exhibited over the last decade or so.
I too would not want to be in a position to rely on Greece in any form of diplomatic row with anybody. Like you I lived through the late 50's, 60's and 70's and although I can appreciate and welcome the cultural ties we have, like you,. I believe we are an autonomous sovereign state and as such should promote ourselves as such. I cannot tell you how sad I feel each time I see a Greek flag flying in Cyprus at the expence of a Cypriot flag. Why do we insist on denying our identity? we might be small and perhaps insignificant in the eyes of greater powers but I & I guess you would too stand up & be counted for what I am even if I was the last one remaining.
I have been to Greece once, by default, in 1974 whilst on the way home to Cyprus we only got as far as Greece as the invasion was taking place. My family sufferred as thousands did but I did let my hosts know my views on the junta which went down like a lead balloon. At the time I got the impression they expected me to be grateful & I clearly remember a heated argument with a woman in a restaurant (had she have been male I would have launched her - but I was just 26 at the time) Enough said.
I will always defend the right for others to have opposing views to me but I do sometimes despair at the apparrent inability for some of us to see beyond the end of our noses and accept that dialogue and compromise (not the same as capitulation) is the only way forward. However being Cypriots I guess we need something to blame for all ill's from sore throat to occupation so perhaps a solution to our problems might just turn up more problems than it solves.
I wish you, yours and all other humanitarian contributors to these pages a peaceful Christmas, healthy new year and may your God be with you. I guess we all live in hope but in our own way.

Michael , Merry Christmas and a happy , healthy and prosperous new year. I'm so happy that , like you , there are many thousands of proud Cypriots who are prepared , without any effort at all it comes naturally , to stand up and be counted as Cypriots , G/Cs , T/Cs , Armenians and others but all from this wonderful island we call Cyprus.
I have maintained my position from day one on this forum with almost 7 thousand posts , never once exhibiting the slightest hint of capitulation to Turkey , never once have I recognised Turkey's creation the "trnc" , never once referring to Turkish troops as anything else but foreign occupying troops ,and never once concurred with the notion of minority and majority Cypriots , since I consider all Cypriots to be part of the majority.

I'm on record as saying on a number of occasions that I have a dream too , a dream that should it materialize , conflicts in Cyprus will be relegated to the history archives 0for ever. To see a united Cyprus , political parties embracing all communities under the banner of Cypriots, a party with the best man for the job elected democratically that happens to be a T/C and to see him lead his party to political victory and he the President of Cyprus , whose allegiance would be to the island of Cyprus and its people.

I noted your once only visit to Greece , my first time in Greece was in 1963 since then I have visited Greece on many occasions. Do I feel a part of the Hellenic world , in short yes I do , do I feel a part of the European world , in short yes I do , Am I a Greek and a European , in short yes but I'm a Cypriot first and foremost.

ps. I have had the opportunity of interacting both in my school days and business life with mainland Greeks , do I feel there is a relationship with them yes I do , have also met and interacted with Turkish Cypriots in all walks of life , do I feel there is a relationship with them , yes we are brothers.

As for your comments on the Greek flag in Cyprus I feel that our own Cypriot flag is denigrated and reduced to a mere symbol whereby the Greek flag is hoisted as the nations glorious emblem. A bloody shame that we have people in Cyprus who are mortified of our heritage and REAL identity.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:11 pm

miltiades wrote:Who was it some years back in the USA who said " I have a dream ... the rest is history !!

Oracle , what in your mind constitutes a moral ethical and gutless coward . Put up or shut up.


You are the epitome! You eulogise pro-Cypriot chants whilst in your unguarded moments you are indistinguishable from the enemies of Cyprus.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:14 pm

Bananiot wrote:I asked her if she has read any of the classics and she answered "only in English". Pity she did not read them in mandarin ...


I was unaware they had been translated for our Oriental friends :roll: I guess you read them in Turkish!
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