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[Oracle]

No Bananiot the obfuscator ... it is a "thump" to you, not Classical Greek Civilisation of 2 to 3 millennia ago!

You seem unable to distinguish between fine detail of anthropological differences between the norm then and the acceptable (evolved) now!

[Bananiot]

Perhaps because I was taught in (mostly) English I may have this wrong. But the MAN that was placed at the centre of the world, in Classical times, was in fact the GREEK (man) and not some outsider (Barbarian). So if you are now upholding this doctrine, then the Xenophobe is none other than you.

What a ridiculous notion and she insists on it too! Protagoras the sophist would argue that man is the measure of all things. He meant that Justice, Good, Bad make sense only in relation to the human needs. Protagoras travelled a lot and came to know many different systems of governance. He knew that the laws in different city-states differed a great deal and in Athens he probably laid the basis of sociology with his discussions on what is innate and what is provided by the human society. Thus, Man, is all the rage in Athens and the position he/she has in the society. This led to a more democratic society which needed educated people in order to function properly. Many educators came to Athens to teach the people who were prepared by philosophers like Protagoras.

The educators that converged on Athens to teach the people were able to do so because of their travels, in all the known world at the time. They were able to learn even from "barbarians" because they were open minded, citizens of the world and free from prejudice and racism, unlike the small minded, bigots who think they are Greek and want to live on the past glory of stupendous minds that they hardly understand and interpret them according to their wishful thinking.

[Oracle]

Perhaps because I was taught in (mostly) English I may have this wrong. But the MAN that was placed at the centre of the world, in Classical times, was in fact the GREEK (man) and not some outsider (Barbarian). So if you are now upholding this doctrine, then the Xenophobe is none other than you.

What a ridiculous notion and she insists on it too! Protagoras the sophist would argue that man is the measure of all things. He meant that Justice, Good, Bad make sense only in relation to the human needs. Protagoras travelled a lot and came to know many different systems of governance. He knew that the laws in different city-states differed a great deal and in Athens he probably laid the basis of sociology with his discussions on what is innate and what is provided by the human society. Thus, Man, is all the rage in Athens and the position he/she has in the society. This led to a more democratic society which needed educated people in order to function properly. Many educators came to Athens to teach the people who were prepared by philosophers like Protagoras.

The educators that converged on Athens to teach the people were able to do so because of their travels, in all the known world at the time. They were able to learn even from "barbarians" because they were open minded, citizens of the world and free from prejudice and racism, unlike the small minded, bigots who think they are Greek and want to live on the past glory of stupendous minds that they hardly understand and interpret them according to their wishful thinking.

Top marks for Googlability ... but the essence is the same.

You are unable to distinguish from the anthropological nuances of the time, to the differing expanded, evolved civilisations of today.

The world of Socrates/ Protagoras et al. then, was a very different place to the Bananiot's world of now. However the Bananiot of now, has his feet stuck in his buccal cavity and is unable to distinguish between what he wants to believe and what he would rather say, to nullify any contradictions to his kindergarten philosophy.

In other words B. the Classical world does not begin and end with Protagoras, but the ability, which we have today with our English critical education, courtesy of Russel and Murdoch etc. to overview the whole of the Classical works available to us, such as was not possible before, and merge the true meaning of Hellenism which befits the times of today, such as it was rendered. Not for one time, but for all times.

So study Socrates and Isocrates and Epictetus, but know that they wrote in isolation, and it is only through the benefit of time, that we can piece it all together, as a whole.

As Kifeas' idol Isocrates stressed "Fitness for the occasion" (kaios) .... the rhetoric's ability to change with circumstances ... a notion for which you have not yet gained the capability to discern.

This Panhellenism, the political ideal, of freedom, self-control, virtue, and "what you see is what you get" versus the relative values of a whole, well rounded education of the Arts, Sciences and Philosophy is a modern extrapolation of the Classical education, and was not readily identifiable until of late.

All men are either born Greek or made Greek ... take your pick!

[Get Real!]

You can throw at me all the ancient Greek names and philosophies you want because all that matters is that when I look at Greece today all I see is a bunch of dickheads… (excuse the ancient French)

[Oracle]

You can throw at me all the ancient Greek names and philosophies you want because all that matters is that when I look at Greece today all I see is a bunch of dickheads… (excuse the ancient French)

I wonder what they see, when they look at you, dear heart?

[Get Real!]

You can throw at me all the ancient Greek names and philosophies you want because all that matters is that when I look at Greece today all I see is a bunch of dickheads… (excuse the ancient French)

I wonder what they see, when they look at you, dear heart?

"You" as in me specifically or Cypriots in general?

[Oracle]

You can throw at me all the ancient Greek names and philosophies you want because all that matters is that when I look at Greece today all I see is a bunch of dickheads… (excuse the ancient French)

I wonder what they see, when they look at you, dear heart?

"You" as in me specifically or Cypriots in general?

"You" as in the Cypriots who have detached themselves from Hellenism in the hope the Turks will look upon them more favourably ...

[denizaksulu]

You can throw at me all the ancient Greek names and philosophies you want because all that matters is that when I look at Greece today all I see is a bunch of dickheads… (excuse the ancient French)

I wonder what they see, when they look at you, dear heart?

"You" as in me specifically or Cypriots in general?

"You" as in the Cypriots who have detached themselves from Hellenism in the hope the Turks will look upon them more favourably ...

Even a goat would laugh at such a suggestion.

[Get Real!]

You can throw at me all the ancient Greek names and philosophies you want because all that matters is that when I look at Greece today all I see is a bunch of dickheads… (excuse the ancient French)

I wonder what they see, when they look at you, dear heart?

"You" as in me specifically or Cypriots in general?

"You" as in the Cypriots who have detached themselves from Hellenism in the hope the Turks will look upon them more favourably ...

I’m happy to announce that I was never attached to “Hellenism” in the first place so there’s nothing for me to detach from. It’s all in the mind Oracle…

As for what the Greeks see when they look at Cyprus… I couldn’t care less!

[Paphitis]

You can throw at me all the ancient Greek names and philosophies you want because all that matters is that when I look at Greece today all I see is a bunch of dickheads… (excuse the ancient French)

I wonder what they see, when they look at you, dear heart?

"You" as in me specifically or Cypriots in general?

"You" as in the Cypriots who have detached themselves from Hellenism in the hope the Turks will look upon them more favourably ...

I’m happy to announce that I was never attached to “Hellenism” in the first place so there’s nothing for me to detach from. It’s all in the mind Oracle…

As for what the Greeks see when they look at Cyprus… I couldn’t care less!

I am 100% certain that they don't care what cowards like you think of them either.

To them you are just a "Barbarian", as you are pathetically seeking to gain favour amongst the TCs by selling out your Panhellenism. Pathetic imbecile!