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[pantelis]

Turkey's abuse and isolation of the TCs, are the main reasons for more years without a solution.

If the TCs are not in a position to understand what the real issues are, negotiations or no negotiations, would the same effect; a big NOTHING.

Even though I was very happy to see the "gates" open, two years ago, and all Cypriots were allowed to see each other again, I think this opening has helped more the Turkish status quo, than anything else.

I am ready to support the closure of these "gates", so that the two communities, especially the TCs, can reflect on their situation and understand what is actually happening to them: They have been "pawns" in the hands of the Turkish politicians (and beyond) for the last 50 years and nothing has changed.

This shows that Turkey has been asked to continue to exist in Cyprus until it joins the EU. The fact that a political system that depends on Ankara is still maintained in north Cyprus verifies these assertions.

“Parts of the Turkish Constitution have been amended for harmonization with the EU, but not the Constitution of Turkish Cyprus. Turkish Cypriot politicians have their hands tied because of legal arrangements that make their economy and politics dependent on Ankara. The Turkish Cypriot elections may have importance just in encouraging the Justice and Development Party (AKP). If the AKP government is encouraged by the 45 percent vote for the CTP and the 53 percent vote of others who favor a solution approve the constitutional reforms in north Cyprus, and at the same time if the AKP can accept at least some changes favoring the Greeks in the Annan plan, this may give hope for a permanent solution in Cyprus. Otherwise, if Turkey continues to use Cyprus as a trump card until it joins the EU, saying, ‘I won't give up Cyprus without joining the EU,' the latest election results won't contribute very much to a permanent solution to the Cyprus problem.”

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=6913

[metecyp]

I am ready to support the closure of these "gates", so that the two communities, especially the TCs, can reflect on their situation and understand what is actually happening to them: They have been "pawns" in the hands of the Turkish politicians (and beyond) for the last 50 years and nothing has changed.

First, I totally disagree that closure of the gates can bring anything positive. Second, why do you especially ask TCs to reflect on their situation? Whether you like it or not, TCs said "Yes" to the Annan plan. At least TCs showed to the GC side what can be acceptable to them. We're yet to see GCs to come and tell us what they really want. Even in this forum, we have many discussions talking about bizonality and what it means and I'm surprised to see that many GCs are not even ready to accept the RoC as it is supposed to be, let alone a bizonal federation. So don't you think, especially GCs need to reflect on their situations and make up their minds on what they want?

[pantelis]

Whether you like it or not, TCs said "Yes" to the Annan plan. At least TCs showed to the GC side what can be acceptable to them.

The "merchandize" is a "united peaceful Cyprus". The Annan plan is simply one price for this "merchandize". Saying yes or no a price, means that you want it at a price you can afford to pay for it. The TCs said yes to the price. The Turkish parliament and army had the final say. The GCs "no" prevented them from exposing their position. A "yes" from the GCs would have only set benchmark for Turkey to change the plan again, making it less attractive for the GCs one more time. It is a game we have played many-many times, with the same outcome, time after time.

No more games with Turkey. The GCs need to deal with Turkey now. The problem is first one between the TCs and Turkey and then between the ROC and Turkey.
Deal with Turkey directly, without interference from the GCs. The “gates” were opened, you came across, you met with us, you got work, money, healthcare etc. You saw that we are not the monsters that Denktash said we were. Enough. Now go back and do your “homework”.
Turkey has no intentions of leaving you alone. They are importing more arms, new soldiers, new settlers. This is no indication of a “solution” in the horizon. The “light” at the end of the channel is “out”. There is only darkness now.

Close the gates, so the GCs cannot see what is theirs but cannot have, and the TCs cannot loose focus from the main problem; the corruption and misery brought by the Turkish occupation and the puppets used as its cover.

[metecyp]

A "yes" from the GCs would have only set benchmark for Turkey to change the plan again, making it less attractive for the GCs one more time. It is a game we have played many-many times, with the same outcome, time after time.

This is just one of your theories.

The “gates” were opened, you came across, you met with us, you got work, money, healthcare etc. You saw that we are not the monsters that Denktash said we were. Enough. Now go back and do your “homework”.

Why don't you ask your leadership to close the gates if you're so disturbed by TCs getting "money, healthcare, etc."? What about your homework? So we have homework but you don't? What kind of an attitude is this? You don't even tell us what your side wants and you're telling me that you have no homework?

Close the gates, so the GCs cannot see what is theirs but cannot have, and the TCs cannot loose focus from the main problem; the corruption and misery brought by the Turkish occupation and the puppets used as its cover.

The main problem: Turkish occupation. Here we go again. Let's blame the Turks! Your side has no responsibility, you're angels and the main problem is the evil Turkish occupation. How can you say this when many GCs do not even accept the RoC as it is supposed to be and when many GCs are happy to have Greek national anthem as the RoC anthem? Maybe I'm really wasting my time here.

[pantelis]

Why don't you ask your leadership to close the gates if you're so disturbed by TCs getting "money, healthcare, etc."? What about your homework? So we have homework but you don't?

I am asking the ROC to close the gates.
I am not happy to see the benefits of the "open gates" go away. I would be happy to see the GC and TC mafia and drug dealers be inconvenienced, though.

Both sides have "homework" to do. The "opening of the gates" is simply an interference, right now, for all, inside and outside Cyprus. A "point" was made, but without continuation.
The settlers keep arriving; the Turkish army keeps making themselves at home. The British parliamentarians made some observations, but without reaction from either side.

Things need to worse, before they get better!

CLOSE THE GATES!

[insan]

The core of the problem is "poltical equality". The other things; ongoing occupation, federalism, restrictions, freedoms, properties etc are revolving around the "political equality" axle, retrospectively.

When did GC leadership respect and sincerely acknowledge TC community as "politically equal" state partner of GC community?

Answer: Never since the British Rule.

[pantelis]

The core of the problem is "poltical equality".

Please describe the "political equality" you enjoy in the north or in Turkey, right now.

Tell us how happy you are, with your current situation, Insan!

The 10,000 TCs who are able make a decent living in the ROC, enjoy more equality than the rest of the TCs who choose to live in misery, or the settlers who flee Turkey to live under the olive trees of the Kyrenia landscape.
Am I wrong?

CLOSE THE GATES NOW!

[Viewpoint]

Are you for real???pantelis

God I hope you dont represent the majority of Greek Cypriots.

You and people like you are the reason why most Turkish Cypriots are now reconsidering any sort of solution however favourable it may be.

Better the devil you know.

Frightening stuff.

[insan]

Am I wrong?

You already should know the answer, Pantelis. Because, so many times I answered your bombastic and distorted allegations. Sorry mate. Not one more time again.

[cannedmoose]

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