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[T_C]

The fallout from generating such an Islamophobic ethos, is that Western liberals who are enlightened to such propaganda, see the struggle that Cyprus has with Turkey, as being just a part of this process. Cyprus is perceived as a Christian country that objects to the Turks, SIMPLY because they are Muslims.

It’s ironic then, that it’s the Turkish military, who are in the pocket of America to suppress Islamist influence, and who, hence, are part of the disease.

Pip-pip
Phoenix

Ofcourse thats what it's about!!!!! What else did you think it was?

Would the division of gone on for 33 years if both sides were Christians? I very much doubt it...

That's rubbish and you know it.
You clearly have not read the header otherwise you would not have made the remark . . . Or maybe you wish to fuel the propaganda?

Phoenix

Whatever you Muslim hater!!!!!

[phoenix]

Just a friendly reminder that this thread is not about the CypProb...

But it accentuates the parallels!

Application to CypProb is just JUMPING out from the page.

Or do I have a one track mind?

Pips

[Get Real!]

Just a friendly reminder that this thread is not about the CypProb...

But it accentuates the parallels!

Application to CypProb is just JUMPING out from the page.

Or do I have a one track mind?

Pips

Wise man he say... Pythagoras loved parallel line theory but it didn't work with triangles...

[phoenix]

Just a friendly reminder that this thread is not about the CypProb...

But it accentuates the parallels!

Application to CypProb is just JUMPING out from the page.

Or do I have a one track mind?

Pips

Wise man he say... Pythagoras loved parallel line theory but it didn't work with triangles...

Those stupid Greeks, what do they know about the Cypprob

. . . and, care to expound on the mathematics for me?

Pips

[Eliko]

Just a friendly reminder that this thread is not about the CypProb...

With so much material available for discussion in the introductory article by Paul Craig Roberts, I am surprised to note that members are already hell bent on steering a course for further exchanges on the Cyprus issues.

I would have thought that a certain amount of consideration be given to the involvement of ISRAEL in all the turmoil that exists in the Middle East, that nation has much to answer for as a result of it's actions in the region and would appear to be (behind the scenes of course) at the root of every conflict that takes place there.

Are THEY the Fanatics ?, certainly they are a dangerous tool of the US, the problem is that they may be seeking to become the masters of the very nations that placed them there.

I think THAT might be a suitable subject to discuss here, lets look at 'encroachment' and 'injustice' in the Middle East, perhaps we may be able to determine just what is in store for us in Cyprus by so doing, (if we must bring our nation into the equation).

[tessintrnc]

I don't think that Israel is a tool of the U.S. I think that they are rather like a spoilt child who get what by screaming for help at every turn. How on earth did such a volatile nation get access to nuclear arms? How did they - a known agressor, manage to swing yet another huge arms deal with the U.S? Its really scary. I think Israel and the U.S will start another world war unless they stop their plans for domination of the oil rich areas outside their own boundaries. Tess

[phoenix]

Just a friendly reminder that this thread is not about the CypProb...

With so much material available for discussion in the introductory article by Paul Craig Roberts, I am surprised to note that members are already hell bent on steering a course for further exchanges on the Cyprus issues.

I would have thought that a certain amount of consideration be given to the involvement of ISRAEL in all the turmoil that exists in the Middle East, that nation has much to answer for as a result of it's actions in the region and would appear to be (behind the scenes of course) at the root of every conflict that takes place there.

Are THEY the Fanatics ?, certainly they are a dangerous tool of the US, the problem is that they may be seeking to become the masters of the very nations that placed them there.

I think THAT might be a suitable subject to discuss here, lets look at 'encroachment' and 'injustice' in the Middle East, perhaps we may be able to determine just what is in store for us in Cyprus by so doing, (if we must bring our nation into the equation).

Eliko I totally agree . . . you missed my previous post before GAGOYLE got involved . . .

QUOTE Phoenix

And another thing . . . .

Everyone has a right to a homeland but the once homeless Israelis have become the dispossessors of the Palestinians. They are treating the Palestinians as once they were treated themselves. A homeland state for minorities should not be at the expense of others.

Suffering (real or hyped) in the past is not an excuse for causing present suffering and injustice.

I wonder who else (closer to home) is guilty of causing dispossession with a cry of justification from agitprop past misdemeanours?

Pip-pip
Phoenix

[Get Real!]

For those that don't like reading long articles Paul wraps up the essence of the issue in his last paragraph...

Most Americans, who Harris believes to be so reasonable, tolerant, and deliberative that they cannot defend themselves, could not care less that one million Iraqis have lost their lives during the American occupation and that an estimated four million Iraqis have been displaced. The total of dead and displaced comes to 20 percent of the Iraqi population. If this is not fanaticism on the part of the Bush administration, what is it? Certainly it is not reason, tolerance, and deliberation.

[Nikitas]

Garagoz you surprise me!

You really think that religion has anything to do with the division in Cyprus? As a product of the 50s and 60s, therefore at the receiving end of the propaganda of the times, I do not recall one single person advocating rejection of the Turkish Cypriots because they are Moslem. Religion never entered into the propaganda mix not even under Makarios who was obviously a church man and could have stirred it up if he wanted to.

Is it possible you are misreading the situation? As for problems among Christians that have festered for long, much longer than ours, look at Northern Ireland, and Ireland as a whole before 1920, the struggles of the Scots against the English, Alsace Lorraine between France and Germany, the 30 years war, the 100 years war and the list goes on.

[dinos]

^^
Let's not forget about approx. 500000 Iraqis killed by the Clinton administration's targeting of sanctions at the poorest people in the country. Madeline Albright has actually gone on record as saying that was an acceptable outcome of the sanctions. This has also gone completely under the radar. Nobody cares.

It's not just the Bush administration - whoever follows him is just going to perpetuate the same - be it democrat or republican. It certainly is not reason, tolerance or deliberation.