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Postby magikthrill » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:14 am

insan wrote:

How can you explain the high ranked army officers in Turkish army? How can you explain the existence of 100s of parliamentarians in Turkish parliament? How can you explain the existence of a Kurdish origin Turkish president in Turkey? How can you explain the wealth and political power of the Kurdish businessmen and tribes in Turkey?


Ok, so if you are happy with the way Kurds are in Turkey then you wouldnt have a problem having their same rights as well?

TCs can have high ranks in the RoC. TCs can exist as parliamentarians and the president of the RoC can one day half TC origins. ANd TCs can one day be wealthy too.
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:31 am

magikthrill wrote:
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How can you explain the high ranked army officers in Turkish army? How can you explain the existence of 100s of parliamentarians in Turkish parliament? How can you explain the existence of a Kurdish origin Turkish president in Turkey? How can you explain the wealth and political power of the Kurdish businessmen and tribes in Turkey?


Ok, so if you are happy with the way Kurds are in Turkey then you wouldnt have a problem having their same rights as well?

TCs can have high ranks in the RoC. TCs can exist as parliamentarians and the president of the RoC can one day half TC origins. ANd TCs can one day be wealthy too.



Actions speaks louder than the words.

First of all GCs and TCs didn't give an independence struggle together but Turks and Kurds struggled, fought for an independent Turkey together back in 1900s. Until early 80s when the PKK terrorist organization formed, there wasn't a Kurdish problem in Turkey. You better don't confuse the artificial Kurdish problem with a totally different case; Cyprus problem.
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Postby magikthrill » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:32 am

insan wrote:

Actions speaks louder than the words.

First of all GCs and TCs didn't give an independence struggle together but Turks and Kurds struggled, fought for an independent Turkey together back in 1900s. Until early 80s when the PKK terrorist organization formed, there wasn't a Kurdish problem in Turkey. You better don't confuse the artificial Kurdish problem with a totally different case; Cyprus problem.


Elaborate. So far the only difference is that Turks and Kurds fought together for independence. I don't see that as an important factor... Anything else or is this your only argument to constitute the Cyprus problem as a "totally different case"
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:39 am

magikthrill wrote:
insan wrote:

Actions speaks louder than the words.

First of all GCs and TCs didn't give an independence struggle together but Turks and Kurds struggled, fought for an independent Turkey together back in 1900s. Until early 80s when the PKK terrorist organization formed, there wasn't a Kurdish problem in Turkey. You better don't confuse the artificial Kurdish problem with a totally different case; Cyprus problem.


Elaborate. So far the only difference is that Turks and Kurds fought together for independence. I don't see that as an important factor... Anything else or is this your only argument to constitute the Cyprus problem as a "totally different case"


The above quote and my previous post include all details you need to spot the huge difference.
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Postby magikthrill » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:44 am

if you say so insan but it seems to me like youre using a double standard and you're not acknowledgin that.

many TCs on this forum have expressed their opinion on the Kurdish peoples' right to political equailty but apparently you dont feel the same way.
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:15 pm

magikthrill wrote:if you say so insan but it seems to me like youre using a double standard and you're not acknowledgin that.

many TCs on this forum have expressed their opinion on the Kurdish peoples' right to political equailty but apparently you dont feel the same way.


Many TCs just have a general knowledge about Kurdish issue. And I'm too lazy to tell about every detail of Kurdish issue to you. Please wait gabatson. I'm sure he has deep knowledge about the issue and he may tell you what Kurdish problem is all about.
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Postby brother » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:17 pm

ERDOGAN URGES ARMENIA TO OPEN ARCHIVES


Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan yesterday met with his New Zealander counterpart Helen Clark. After their talks, speaking at a press conference, Erdogan commented on Armenian President Robert Kocharian’s reply to Erdogan’s recent call to establish a joint commission to study the Armenian allegations. Stressing that Yerevan was insisting on political relations first being normalized with Turkey, Erdogan said the issue must be settled before making political decisions. “We’ll open all our state archives,” he said. Urging Armenia and other states also to open their archives concerning the issue, and form a working commission on the matter, the premier said, “We don’t reject our past, and if there is a need, we can inquire into it.” In addition, Ankara’s proposal for a joint commission has also received backing from the Council of Europe and the United States.Some 80 members of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe recently signed a statement calling on Kocharian to agree to the Turkish proposal. /Star/
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Postby unnamedman » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:20 pm

in turkey, turks and kurds have same rights.

in fact; we should look the term of "Turk"

Turk= People that live in turkey or borned in Turkey and have a passport of Turkish Republic.

There is no difference between Turks,Kurds, Lazs, Boshnaks or Cherkezs. All of them can ben president, prime minister, and anything else.

Kurd problem is a something that created by PKK (Kurdish Terrorist Group) and foreign forces.

I have a kurdish friends, and don't care their national back.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:34 pm

in turkey, turks and kurds have same rights.

in fact; we should look the term of "Turk"

Turk= People that live in turkey or borned in Turkey and have a passport of Turkish Republic.

There is no difference between Turks,Kurds, Lazs, Boshnaks or Cherkezs. All of them can ben president, prime minister, and anything else.


So why this exact same thing can be so nice for Kurds and so bad for TCs?

TCs can have this, without the oppression of their language and culture that the Kurds have in Turkey. (not to mention many additional things like guaranteed representation, and blocking power in important matters that the TCs can have and the Kurds do not have). Yet, TCs do not accept it. Clear double standards.
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Postby NickTheGreek » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:38 pm

The treatment of the Kurds in SE Turkey in the early 90's was nothing short of despicable. Around 40,000 are estimated to have been killed while 3000 villages are believed to have been 'depopulated'.
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