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[Kifeas]

Kifeas, good one... agreed.

but

we simply retreated so that we regroup and redeploy our strength and forces

is it hypothetically speaking? cause it kinda spoils your wonderful speech

What do you mean, raymanuva?

[MR-from-NG]

Little pervert Bananiot wants to take us back to the middle ages, during which “might was right” and the big fish had the “inherent right" to eat the small fish, because this was what Allah was "dictating" to be the kismet of the small countries and nations!

Bananiot, I suggest you to go and commit suicide, for you are a disgrace to the history, civilization, pride and dignity of the GC society! You are a corrupted defeatist fellow, that only suicide may save your soul! No my dear demonised fellow, we prefer to die in fight to the last one, but we won't follow the undignified path you are showing!

You had the perfect opportunity to do this in 74, why didn't you?

Dig-head “MR-from-NG,” in case you haven't realised it, the war is not over yet! What we have now is officially regarded as cease-fire! The war which your prostitute motherland and the leadership of your community started still continues to this day! The war has many faces, military, economic, legal and diplomatic! In 1974, your prostitute “motherland” had simply won a battle! Ever since that battle, your mother and your community's spoiled leadership have lost all the subsequent ones! You have lost the battle to have the illegalities of 1974 become legalised! You have lost the battle to make us surrender and capitulate! You have lost the battle to have the northern part of our stolen homeland become recognised as a separate entity! You have lost the battle to achieve the derecognising of the RoC! You have lost the battle to stop our EU accession, and we have managed to do so with the whole of Cyprus under the sovereignty of the RoC! You have lost the battles in the UN, with all the resolutions! You have lost the battle in the Cyprus vs. Turkey and the Loizidou vs. Turkey cases in the ECtHR! Now, you (your corrupted motherland) will have to face our veto for her EU accession!

What have you won in 1974? Nothing! You have simply achieved a pyrrhic victory on only one single battle, but you have lost (and still losing) all the subsequent ones, despite what Bananiot tells you! In 1974, we simply retreated so that we regroup and redeploy our strength and forces!

OK Rambo

Rambo or no Rambo, you can only be thankful to me for opening your newly born puppy’s eyes!

In case you haven’t realized it, the biggest loser of 1974 is your community! What have you achieved? Nothing! You live under the occupation, domination and suzerainty of Turkey, while you are gradually becoming a minority and disappearing from Cyprus as a distinct cultural entity, while we are prospering in the south, we hold the RoC and the de jure sovereignty of the whole of Cyprus in our hands, and reign supreme in the EU while helping it formulate its international policies -like the case of Kosovo, etc! I only hope your puppy eyes will open up soon and decide to change your capricious and childish attitude and decide that it is about time you should begin cooperating with the majority of the people of your country Cyprus (i.e. the GCs,) for your own sake and survival!

Better the devil you know

[raymanuva]

nothing, end of the day... my mind is locked up, good points u give here...
but to go slightly off topic, KOSOVO resolution... + many other issues. CYprus wont have much of effect soon after Ireland's referendum on the new treaty which is basically a renamed EU Constitution. But the rest is priceless, keep slappin them.

[Kifeas]

nothing, end of the day... my mind is locked up, good points u give here...
but to go slightly off topic, KOSOVO resolution... + many other issues. CYprus wont have much of effect soon after Ireland's referendum on the new treaty which is basically a renamed EU Constitution. But the rest is priceless, keep slappin them.

I only tell then the truths Bananiot does not! I only feel sorry for them, for things could have been -and still can be better for all of us! But, what can you expect from a brainwashed and blinded by Turkish nationalism folk!

[-mikkie2-]

Now that Cyprus is in the EU, any plan must adhere to EU principles. This is a given. Bananiot, I believe is wrong to say tha the EU cannot have a say.

Any plan that does not adhere to EU principles, is liable to have its provisions challeged in the EU courts and overturned.

The forum for the solution is the UN. But the EU will indirectly have a very big say in the form of the solution purely because the WHOLE of Cyprus is a member. This is why Turkey refuses to speedily implement July 8th agreement and it will be the reason why any initiative next year will stall. What remains is for the GC side to be skillful enough to utilise the situation next year in our favour and to once and for all expose Turkish intransigence. I don't think Papadopoulos is the man to do this. We need new blood.

Whether a solution is 'bad' or 'good' is irrelevant. We need a solution NOW knowing that within the EU the solution can be changed and modified sooner or later. If Turkey decided to use any 'intervention' rights to stop this then it will be on Turkeys head and not ours.

[Pyrpolizer]

There is no possibility the Anan Plan will ever be accepted with either a few or many changes. Changes means give and take- in the end we will end up to something worse.
We need a totally different plan, precice and clear, and easily understood. There is absolutely no way to have human right violations in any solution. Be it rights on property ownership, movement, settlement, voting rights etc.

The Turkish troops constitute a real danger for the GCs, not only physically, but if Turkey is given guarantor powers, be sure she will use them to depart the Turkish Cypriot Federal part. The only compromise solution in this, is to have a common Cypriot Army with equal GC and TC troops under the command of a neutral General that will guarantee the safety of people in the remote event of having paramilitary groups as those we had in the 60s.

[-mikkie2-]

"There is no possibility the Anan Plan will ever be accepted with either a few or many changes. Changes means give and take- in the end we will end up to something worse. "

Even if it was, it would come under scrutiny in EU courts and much of the bad provisions would have to be modified anyway. The question is, do we wait another 10, 15, 20 years when the north will most probably be outnumbering people in the south and hence impossible to turn back the clock, or agree to something that is botched now, with the good possibility of changing it for the better to the benefit of all Cypriots in a much shorter space of time and within the EU?

It is a difficult question to answer.

[joe]

Now that Cyprus is in the EU, any plan must adhere to EU principles. This is a given. Bananiot, I believe is wrong to say tha the EU cannot have a say.

Bananiot is wrong on many things.

Any plan that does not adhere to EU principles, is liable to have its provisions challeged in the EU courts and overturned.

This is precisely the reason why the US and the UK made an effort to impose the Annan 5 version, with all its derogations, on us for approval before the May 1, 2004, Cypriot accession to the EU.

I would like to assure you, Bananiot, that any future plan (no matter who is governing Cyprus) will indeed be based on EU law, its Courts decisions and the emerging EU treaty. It WILL be based on this for the simple fact that Cyprus is now an EU member. Ohh, how the tables have turned……

[-mikkie2-]

"This is precisely the reason why the US and the UK made an effort to impose the Annan 5 version, with all its derogations, on us for approval before the May 1, 2004, Cypriot accession to the EU. "

This statement is rubbish! Cyprus had already signed the EU Accession Treaty in April 2003 as the Republic of Cyprus. Irrespective of what would happen in May 2004, Cyprus was technically in the EU. This means that the 'derogations' were only temporary. It also meant that these could be challenged and also many other provisions could be challenged in EU courts.

Personally, I did not like the plan and would not vote for it at the time. However, in hindsight, perhaps it may have been better if we did, knowing that we could modify and change it to our collective benefit. In any case, the plan is dead. It cannot be brought again, even with slight changes due to the above reasons. And that is why Turkey will do her utmost to avoid a new plan. All that remains if for us to properly expose this tactic and regain our credibility.

[Pyrpolizer]

I have my doubts whether anything could be challenged at he EU if the Anan plan as accepted by the majority.
Perhaps I should remind you of the letter the Co-presidents were supposed to send to the EU?
Here it is:

ATTACHMENT 3: LETTER TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL OF THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE [to be sent upon entry into force of Foundation Agreement] Excellency, We wish to inform you that, having been approved at separate simultaneous referenda, the Foundation Agreement between the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots has entered into force, and a new state of affairs has come into being in Cyprus. Accordingly, the United Cyprus Republic is an independent and sovereign state with a single international legal personality and a federal government and consists of two constituent states, namely the Greek Cypriot State and the Turkish Cypriot State. The European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and its Additional Protocols are in force for the United Cyprus Republic. We solemnly declare that henceforth, the membership rights and obligations of Cyprus in the Council of Europe shall be exercised in accordance with the new state of affairs. We also wish to inform you that the Foundation Agreement resolves in a comprehensive manner all issues that have divided Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in the past, including all property questions. We would like to bring to your attention the fact that the Foundation Agreement provides a domestic remedy for the solution of all questions related to affected property in Cyprus, and to inform you that the United Cyprus Republic shall be the sole responsible State Party concerning such matters. Moreover, pursuant to Article 37 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and Rule 43 of the Rules of Court, we request the Court to strike out any proceedings currently before it concerning affected property in Cyprus, in order to allow the domestic mechanism established to solve these cases to proceed. We would be grateful if you would bring this letter to the attention of the Parliamentary Assembly and the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe, and we request that the Parliamentary Assembly and the Committee of Ministers endorse the Foundation Agreement. Please accept, Excellency, the assurances of our highest consideration. Co-President Co-President

Without this letter yes most probably it could be challenged. But with it...???