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[Pyrpolizer]

I am sick and tired of you guys always attacking Kikapu to the point of making him afraid to tell his opinion openely. Of course the report is TOTALLY BIASED. It starts from calling the Republic of Cyprus "GC administration" which is clearly a Turkish invented term, all the substantial recommendations it makes-I mean those that will hacve a real impact- are those requiring the GCs to give 100 to take back 1, upto the point of even recognising the pseudo's administrative structure and start copperating with them. After all it calls it TC administration, which is totally equal to the GC administration. Ain't that right?

You guys are PATHETIC.
You are rejecting the few guys among you that are trying to look matters in an objective way. Kikapu is trying to open YOUR eyes not the eyes of the GCs. There are some BLIND Gcs like some of you in this forum.The fact that Kikapu never attacked Piratis ideas doesn't mean he agrees with him. I almost never discuss with Piratis does that mean I agree with him????

So stop this nonsense of trying to make a traitor of one of you. You are becoming more ridiculous than those GCs who were labeling Bananiot a traitor. Each one has his own ideas concentrate on his ideas not on who he is.

To mke a long story short Kikapu is right the report is biased, is pro Turkish, and I already told you why. Convince m it is not so. Convince me Kikapu was not right when he said the same thing.

Convince me he was not right in the other topic when he said "the one who tells the truth is kicked out from 9 villages."

It's not about truth or trying to stop him from expressing his views Pyro, if he can ignore Piratis while not agreeing with him, can't he do the same to VP without resorting to name calling and talking about "pig farms" and "prostitutes"? If he can do that then why doesn't he do the same to the people on the other side who are supposedly HIS OWN people?

It makes no sense what so ever when he's CONSTANTLY attacking one side, while COMPLETELY ignoring the hardliner views on the other side. And to top it off he tells us he's a TC, but he cannot possibly be a TC when NOT ONCE has he responded to ANYTHING the hardliners put forth on your side.

Believe me I know TCs LIVING IN CYPRUS who are much more than what Kikapu seems to be to you. In this forum you have to understand that people CHOOSE what line they want to follow. Kikapu chose a specific line, Birkibrisli chose another, Bananiot another, I myself try to be impartial but very rarely speak of the GC wrong-doings, although i did a few times. Why shoyl EVERYBODY follow the line of defending his own ethnic side at all costs? What if he has hidden proofs that his own side was the one that really damaged his life? Has it ever pass through your mind?

The "pig farm" comes from Orwels book "the animal farm". The pigs were the clever ones who manipulated the rest of the easy believers with lots of propaganda and lies. This describes the situation in which the TCs are from the 60s until today. Jesus it took you 40+ years to realize what Denktash was doing to his own people. Btw the pig farm was written to describe how people were manipulated in the USSR. The same way the TC people were and still are manipulated. The term imho is very successful, nd it should be another EYE OPENER for you. But you only see it as an inlt concentrating on the "pig" word....

The prostitute term is yet another successful term. You know damn well you are selling yourselves to Turkey. Every TC I met knows it, you know it personally too T-C. In fact one of the main reason the TCs want a solution is to get rid of Turkey and her suppressive army here. How many robberies how many illegalities by her soldiers and her settlers can go unpunished as if they are the owners of this iland T-C. Yes the term might once again be insulting to you but it is the truth. Kick the man from all 9 villages then.

On a side note: Do you think we the GCs need a TC to defend our case? Do you think if Kikapu was not in the forum you would be much better off? Absolutely not.
Do you know what I like about Kikapu? The fact that he can say things in a way you can understand it perfectly.

Do you remember when Kikapu was telling VP that no way you are one of my own people because I do know my people and you are not one of them? Has it ever occured to you that the ones who today prevail among the TCs are the thieves and robberers which puzzle not only the TCs of diaspora but the GCs as well? The ones who prevail today my friend among the TCs ARE NOT THE PROUD AND HONEST TCs we used to know.
They are the scum. And there is nothing wrong in hearing from kikapu that todays situation in the occupied is similar to the animal farm of George Orwell's novel.

If he is guilty for telling you the truth then ex-communicate him. Make him Swiss.

You can defend this individual all you wish as he is truly one of your own and will never be considered a TC, we disown him. Not once has he defended the smallest point in favor of GCs, not once has he spoken out against GC verbal abuse against TCs on the forum in fact he is one of the worst offenders and constantly has to use belittling scarcasm to lower the quality of posts and avoid answering questions when challenged about his lies. This says more about his own character or lack of it than anything else, he does more damage than good and it better off never returning to island, so he should not try to tell those of us who live here how to live our lives.

Yes I defend him because he is 100 times more TRUE and REAL than you. Do you think we ever digested your lies of how you a second generation TC born and raised in England has returned packed and married in Cyprus exchanging heaven for hell?
Tell me now it wasn't hell when thousands of TCs were abandoning Cyprus for good, those years.

We even caught you having minimal ability to comprehend Turkish . Quite understandable of course for a person borned and raised in England. Remember that newspaper article you read at your aunt's and you messed everything up as to what it was saying?

Furthermore I do defend Kikapu because on one occassion he corrected me telling me " I don't view matters as a TC or a GC, i view them as a CYPRIOT and this is what you should do too". On another occassion that I was attacking a really fanatic TC he once again told me "don't be so harsh at him he is just a disoriented CYPRIOT."

[Kikapu]

Pyro,

Thanks for your support my friend. I know you do not like to jump in and lend a support to any TC for being afraid that it will be viewed by the extremist partitionist in a negative way, therefore, I know it took a great deal of effort on your part to resist temptation to jump in, because you have had enough with their bullshit.

[Kikapu]

You can defend this individual all you wish as he is truly one of your own and will never be considered a TC, we disown him. Not once has he defended the smallest point in favor of GCs, not once has he spoken out against GC verbal abuse against TCs on the forum in fact he is one of the worst offenders and constantly has to use belittling scarcasm to lower the quality of posts and avoid answering questions when challenged about his lies. This says more about his own character or lack of it than anything else, he does more damage than good and it better off never returning to island, so he should not try to tell those of us who live here how to live our lives.

I do not need defending by anyone VP, and not from attack from someone such as yourself. You are nothing but a
"loose cannon" who is unable to control his emotions, just because things are not going the way you would like them to go. I hope you are not in any kind of leadership position for the TC's in the "TRNC". Being a lousy Propagandist is already bad enough to cause them harm, because you have become a very desperate man sorry to say. Most of your attacks on me are nothing but the acts of a very desperate man. If I may use an American Football playbook analogy, you are trying a
"Hell Mary Pass", which is the only option in the dying seconds of the game that is available for the team to win the game. Almost 99% of the time, it is a futile attempt, but what the heck, you had no other options that was available to you. But to the rest who are watching the game, including your own supporters, they know the truth, and the truth is, you had already lost the game, but that 1% chance. So VP, just keep using your 1% chance by throwing the ball in your "Hell Mary Pass" to try to label me as a Greek Cypriot in hopes that your 1% futile attempt becomes a reality. Now, that really is an last attempt of an Desperate man.

Not once has he defended the smallest point in favor of GCs

Do you see how desperate you are. You can't even get your complaint straight. Poor TC's have you to defend them...what tragedy.!!

Now, I know you meant to say that I have not defended the smallest point in favour of the TC's, and the answer I gave you the other day was, "no I cannot, if it means violating the Human and Democratic Rights of all Cypriots". I also told you, that if you were so smart and can give me the answer to your own question, then go ahead, but the clock is still ticking after 3 days without an answer. I guess you are not as smart as you thought you were by trying to land me with such a loaded question. Another "Hell Mary Pass" did not make a completion.

will never be considered a TC, we disown him.

You are in no position to "disown" anybody, specially from someone such as yourself, who is a "foreigner" in Cyprus.

not once has he spoken out against GC verbal abuse against TCs

Just go and read all the post I made in the first 6 moths when I joined the forum, and see that your claim is just another
"Hell Mary Pass".

he does more damage than good and it better off never returning to island

Yes VP, my kind of Truth Speaking TC's are you worst nightmare...learn to accept it, but I know you will want to
"chase me from 9 villages for telling the truth".

Here is a friendly advice to you VP. Never try to become a "Quarterback" in American Football, because you are not very good at throwing a game saving "Hell Mary Passes". :lol:

[Nikitas]

Disown Kikapu like the hardliners disown Sener Levent, the late Ozkur and others who do not toe the Ankara line that there are two nations, two people, two religion on the island. Anyone who ruins that mythology must be disowned it seems.

These people sound so much like the fanatic mainland Greek army officers of the junta the similarity is chilling. Anhyone who disagreed with them met the same fate of being disowned.

[Pyrpolizer]

Quite true dear Kikapu.

It actually started from reading Birkibrisli's excellent narrative about Cyprus history in the other topic titled "once upon a time" I had to give up reading when at about page 21 I realized there is so much negative contribution with tons of hate from Eric Dayi calling everybody a liar, and then orchestrated attack on you and Birkibrisli by some people. Sometimes I admire Birkibisl's patience and empathy to everyone. I said to myself "what is this, do I have to read all this, do those people have nothing better to say?" At some point there was a call from Birkibrisli for each one to tell the wrongdoings of his own side, I had a few pages more to read and then honestly tell my own opinion but I lost patience. (I will do it for sure anyway). Then I start reading this topic the same thing here.

Kikapu I honestly try to avoid supporting you because for some people a GC supporting a TC and vice versa brands the person as some sort of a "traitor". If you think I am causing more harm to you than what they already do to you, please tell me here in front of everybody and I will stop telling a single word from now on.

It will bother me of course seeing this mistreatment booming all the time but in this island the rule always was that the true CYPRIOTS carry their cross alone. Who am I to brake the rules?

[Kikapu]

Quite true dear Kikapu.

It actually started from reading Birkibrisli's excellent narrative about Cyprus history in the other topic titled "once upon a time" I had to give up reading when at about page 21 I realized there is so much negative contribution with tons of hate from Eric Dayi calling everybody a liar, and then orchestrated attack on you and Birkibrisli by some people. Sometimes I admire Birkibisl's patience and empathy to everyone. I said to myself "what is this, do I have to read all this, do those people have nothing better to say?" At some point there was a call from Birkibrisli for each one to tell the wrongdoings of his own side, I had a few pages more to read and then honestly tell my own opinion but I lost patience. (I will do it for sure anyway). Then I start reading this topic the same thing here.

Kikapu I honestly try to avoid supporting you because for some people a GC supporting a TC and vice versa brands the person as some sort of a "traitor". If you think I am causing more harm to you than what they already do to you, please tell me here in front of everybody and I will stop telling a single word from now on.

It will bother me of course seeing this mistreatment booming all the time but in this island the rule always was that the true CYPRIOTS carry their cross alone. Who am I to brake the rules?

Pyro,

I'm a Cypriot first before anything else. When I'm asked as to where I'm from, I say Cyprus. If they want further clarification on ethnicity, then I tell them Turkish Cypriot. If they do not ask, then I do not volunteer, so if any Cypriot wants to support another Cypriot, then they should do so and it makes no difference to me if they are GC, TC, or others. I live in a Free World with Free Ideas and Free Expressions. Those who want to live in a 16th Century World, can do so if they wish. I will not be following their lead. So feel free to say anything you want Pyro, whether it is positive or negative on what I or others write. True Democracy is not something one can "cherry pick" the best parts and ignores the rest, that they may not agree with. It is all or nothing proposition. I do not think our Partitionist friends have quiet caught on the idea of True Democracy yet. I'm trying to help them understand it.......

[Pyrpolizer]

I think I found the answer from your own words dear Kikapu. Yes you have a personal freedom that I will respect from now on. I will not jump in again unless something really dramatic happens. I hope the rest of the people in here respect this personal FREEDOM from now on.

[Kikapu]

I think I found the answer from your own words dear Kikapu. Yes you have a personal freedom that I will respect from now on. I will not jump in again unless something really dramatic happens. I hope the rest of the people in here respect this personal FREEDOM from now on.

Pyro,

Just not to confuse the issue too much, and perhaps it's the way I write my arguments, but the bottom line is, you and anyone else has my permission to JUMP IN into any discussion I'm involved in with any other members, whether you and others are in support of me or not. Personally, it is refreshing to get others JUMPING IN with their points of view when things get a little heated up, so please Pyro, JUMP IN when ever you feel like JUMPING IN.

Btw, nice to have you back.

[T_C]

Well imo what you got was very similar to what you usually dish out yourself...anyways I still stand by my word...I wouldn't go as far as "disowning" or wishing harm on ANYONE let alone another Cypriot, but I do get a REALLY cold vibe from Kikapu and I trust my instincts...

[T_C]

I think I found the answer from your own words dear Kikapu. Yes you have a personal freedom that I will respect from now on. I will not jump in again unless something really dramatic happens. I hope the rest of the people in here respect this personal FREEDOM from now on.

YEAH KIKAPU! I hope you RESPECT peoples personal FREEDOM to express their opinions from now on!!!

Thanks for that Pyro.