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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:23 am

umit07 wrote:Pyro and Deniz

Just reading through the thread and started to crack up, poor GC fellows just chose the wrong day. In the north prostitution is illegal "on paper" but the gov. even collects VAT from the pimps. From time to time the police raid cabarets some of the bigger ones usually get word of when its going to happen and take precautions.

When it comes to what I expect on the day after, we live in the Morphou area and the house we live in belongs to a GC, however when we took possession of the house it was uncompleted.We finished the ground floor which didn't even have a front door, the hallway of the house was completely open to the road and my grandparents lived in it like this for over 20 years. My grandfather always lived with the hope that he would go back to his original village ( Episkopi ) and therefore never even closed off the wall of the house or even put in a front door. After my grandfather died my grandmother closed up the wall and finally put in a front door. After my family moved to Cyprus from Australia we finished off the house we built a 60 sq metre shop downstairs and built another 220 square meter house on top. In any settlement all TC's know that the Morphou area is going to be given back completely so there hasn't been a lot of construction in the area. If a settlement was reached we would be happy to move out, if we just had a roof over our heads soewhere. 1974 was a time of "Ganimet" ( spoils of war ) for many TC's many people who owned very little or jack shit were given orange fields, houses and etc. The TC's who couldn't claim anything left the island ( like my family) while many enjoyed the spoils of war. GC's complain a lot about human rights violations and so on, some TC's got it worse than you guys did imagine having to work for some snob (who had jackshit) you used to employ in your fields in the south.

As my grandma says "Boklar tabağa girdi" ( "Shit found itself in a plate")


Very interesting post you put there umit07. I know some TCs ended up worse in 1974. The difference is the word SOME compared to ALL GC refugees.... Anyway you have my full sympathy my friend...

About the property you builted your house on what does your own sense of justice tell you? Let me answer the question for you: It tells you that you own all the building but you do not own the land. Two possible arrangements here a)The GC who has the land takes compensation from you and you buy his land, and everything is settled or b) You keep the building with a separate title deed, he keeps the land with another separate title deed and you just pay him some rent. or c)he buys the building from you, and you go build somewhere else.

IMo all 3 choices should be made available in any solution and be upto the individuals concerned to agree anything they like. In case of no agreement "b" should be the obligatory settlement and the renting rates be regulated by the Government.

The Anan plan would create so many injustices (and to you personally) that imo we should thank God it never passed. Do you personally think is would be fair having to move just because your area was supposed to be returned to the GCs?

The only ones who should move to new Government housings are those who got property for nothing and those who cannot buy the ones that are now holding. After all these settlements on properties, everybody should be free to settle anywhere he likes.

The property issue has nothing to do with the administrative areas each of the ethnic groups will have under their own juristiction.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:26 am

It goes without saying that the same rule applies to the GCs who got your house at Episcopi. I don't know why your father told them "don't worry the house is now yours". The hell it is not. It is yours until the day you agree and sign differently to each other.
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Postby humanist » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:43 am

Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:54 am

humanist wrote:Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.


Well Humanist, its the truth and I expect some TCs will disagree. Whats new. I think most TCs are afraid to voice their opinions as they think they will seem 'unpatriotic'. They take everything lying down and get trampled by the zealots. That is not the way 'democracy' works. We even see it on the forum, here, any different opinion draws to it 'negative' attention.
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Postby humanist » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:48 am

thanks Deniz, I like the truth and it makes one more reputable when they slam the other side.

you are absolutely right that is not the way democracy works.

then again there are the foreign morons that create more and more negativity with the naivity or perhaps own agenda. :)
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:37 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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humanist wrote:Umit thanks for sharing your story with us. You have obviously put a lot of effort, time and money into this home and I hoe that the legal owner will decide to take compensation for it and it can remain your family's home. Otherwise I would hope that the day after a unification you will be given compensation for your moneys spent on completing the home as well as aditional moneys to build your own home either at Episkopi or this is where the church can play a role in giving you a plot of land in the north to build a home.


Life goes on regardless of the status quo and the lack of a solution, people adapt and have built their lives out of conflict and strife. 45 years have passed and we have a settled life would be a shame to disrupt it all over again, imo ample compensation should be paid to previous owners.



Its not a settled life VP. I know a lot of people like Umit and others 'sitting on' GC property and waiting for the day they will be kicked out again. I can not call that 'settled'. Most will not say so openly, but they do feel uneasy. Its Damocles' Sword.


Deniz the passing of the years will automatically resolve that situation as people realize and understand that in 50 years time there will be no going back how it was, what is will be forever. The GCs are doing a great job of ensuring that this is the path we will continue to take.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:39 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
humanist wrote:Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.


Well Humanist, its the truth and I expect some TCs will disagree. Whats new. I think most TCs are afraid to voice their opinions as they think they will seem 'unpatriotic'. They take everything lying down and get trampled by the zealots. That is not the way 'democracy' works. We even see it on the forum, here, any different opinion draws to it 'negative' attention.


Deniz you have differing opinions from some TCs, do you get trappled by TCs?, I think you are being a bit unfair because there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:43 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Deniz the passing of the years will automatically resolve that situation as people realize and understand that in 50 years time there will be no going back how it was, what is will be forever. The GCs are doing a great job of ensuring that this is the path we will continue to take.


For a moment I thought I was hearing the words spoken by my Cousin's husband "Roger the Rabbit" speaking.

No, wait a minute, it is VP. :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:51 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
humanist wrote:Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.


Well Humanist, its the truth and I expect some TCs will disagree. Whats new. I think most TCs are afraid to voice their opinions as they think they will seem 'unpatriotic'. They take everything lying down and get trampled by the zealots. That is not the way 'democracy' works. We even see it on the forum, here, any different opinion draws to it 'negative' attention.


Deniz you have differing opinions from some TCs, do you get trappled by TCs?, I think you are being a bit unfair because there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?



there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?


How can anyone argue anything in favour of pro "TRNC" if it involves violation of Human and Democratic Rights of all Cypriots. I have asked you to answer your own question, and you failed miserably with your answer, which you said
"freedom to move around the island", after pondering for a whole week to come up with an answer.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:21 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
humanist wrote:Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.


Well Humanist, its the truth and I expect some TCs will disagree. Whats new. I think most TCs are afraid to voice their opinions as they think they will seem 'unpatriotic'. They take everything lying down and get trampled by the zealots. That is not the way 'democracy' works. We even see it on the forum, here, any different opinion draws to it 'negative' attention.


Deniz you have differing opinions from some TCs, do you get trappled by TCs?, I think you are being a bit unfair because there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?



VP, I am not a 'political' person. But one thing I am sure of is that no two persons can have identical opinions. I have only stated what some TCs have said to me regarding their fears of wanting to return to their homes. That is not anti TC. I am not. I have seen the corruption and have pointed it out. That does not make me anti TC. I am a TC whether you like it or not. For Gods sake 'allow' others to have different grades of opinions than yourself. As it happens I agree with at least half your views. Isnt that good enough for you. Your questioning attitude explains a lot why some TCs have those fears. In my youth I also have shouted 'Ya taksim, Ya olum'. Allow me to live in dignity and review my stance and make up my own mind without the 'inquisition', thank you. If it will make you feel better, I disagree with half of Kikapu' arguments. It doesnt mean I will jump down his throat and and be abusive. I respect all opinions, and suggest you do the same even if you disagree with them.
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