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[humanist]

Shah, please don't tell me you admire Marx?

[shahmaran]

Not specifically, i admire him as much as i admire any other great philosopher, but i was just giving examples of altruistic behaviour.

What have you got against Marx?

[zan]

I believe there is Zan, there are many evidences in nature to show that it exist, obviously such extreme tests might crack the idea on a personal level but overall many animals and people do choose to help everyone else before helping themselves.

Marx spent his entire life in poverty writing his ideas which gave him no immediate advantage in any way, while his children were dying one by one from malnutrition and diseases he just kept writing and eventually he died too. Just like many other artist and philosophers and poets etc. who spend their life in poverty dedicated to their work which sometimes, if ever, doesn't even get any recognition for centuries.

Where would the world be without these crazy "leaders"

I would see the example of Marx as an egoist and obsessive Shah. I would have thought a more balanced approach to all around him would have been altruism at it's best.

We all seem to live off one addiction or another and my example of the leopard is a prime example. We need to see it as instinct and not as a thinking and altruistic action. The leopard was confused between the addiction to eat and the addiction to look after it's young, albeit that it was not it's young. Marx had an itch to scratch and he scratched it at the expense of his families health and even his own. A drug addict will do the same to satisfy the habit. Even the need to help people is addictive but a good one. We should exploit this addiction more.

[humanist]

Shah

Not specifically, i admire him as much as i admire any other great philosopher, but i was just giving examples of altruistic behaviour.

What have you got against Marx?

Absolutely nothing...... If only the world adopted the manifesto and executed it without corruption the world would be in a better place.

My gawd is it possible that a Turkish speaking Cypriot and a Greek speaking Cypriot have something in common? even if it is admiration for Marx ... :):):):) I am pleased about this.

[shahmaran]

Well the pleasure is mine

Zan, maybe our addiction is survival, but within the boundaries of our instincts, going by the "selfish gene" theory, altruism can also be viewed as selfishness in way.

[zan]

Well the pleasure is mine

Zan, maybe our addiction is survival, but within the boundaries of our instincts, going by the "selfish gene" theory, altruism can also be viewed as selfishness in way.

Absolutely right and that is what I was trying to say in my clumsy way. Self gratification.

[humanist]

Let us all become Buddhists then guys ......... no attachment wella the Cypro solved cause no one is attached to anything :):)

[FreeSpirit]

There was a disturbing experiment that I read of years ago in which a mother monkey was put into a cage with it's baby and the cage had smooth walls that that the monkey could not climb and a heated floor. The experiment was to see how long it would take for the mother to use the baby as relief from the pain in it's burning feet......As they turned up the heat the inevitable happened and the mother stood on the baby.

Is there really true altruism? It only seems to work when things are going well.

Hope it was a muslim baby and not one of ours.