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[zan]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

How many German soldiers are still walking about then???????

[FreeSpirit]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

How many German soldiers are still walking about then???????

And your point is?

[zan]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

How many German soldiers are still walking about then???????

And your point is?

[FreeSpirit]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

How many German soldiers are still walking about then???????

And your point is?

And your point is?

[Filitsa]

No Filitsa , the Iraqis are a liberated people but not as it seems from the Savages who spread death and destruction on a daily basis. There is NO excuse whatsoever for these barbaric acts by these lunatics.

Then, Miltiades, they are in effect not liberated.

It is a fact that the current state of affairs is a consequence of the invasion of American forces and their take down of the Hussein regime. Consequently, one can postulate one of only two conclusions: 1) the "triumverate" was aware that tribal insurgence would ensue, or 2) the "triumverate" was unaware that tribal insurgence would ensue. To postulate the former, would imply that the "triumverate" had a plan. To postulate the latter, would imply that the "triumverate" was inept. Which one is it?

Filitsa
It is a proven fact that most of the terrorists organisers are from outside iraq, mainly Syria and Iran along with a hefty portion from Al Quaeda.
These people are using the iraqi people to further their own ends they don't give a shit about the iraqis.

Okay, so let's remove the adjective "tribal" and simply say" insurgence. Was it in the plan or did they (the "triumverate) not see it coming?

[Filitsa]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

>>the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.<<


FreeSpirit, it is this very reason that distinguishes the nature of war in Iraq as being very different than the nature of WWII. No comparison. Did the "triumverate" anticipate Muslim insurgence or not?

[FreeSpirit]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

>>the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.<<


FreeSpirit, it is this very reason that distinguishes the nature of war in Iraq as being very different than the nature of WWII. No comparison. Did the "triumverate" anticipate Muslim insurgence or not?

Actualy there was disagreement between Bush and Blair over how to run things after the glorious liberation, Blair wanted to do things the way that conquering forces did in the far east after WWII, where the Japanes were allowed to continue policing under very strict supervision. Bush got his way and sacked the police and armed forces.

For the record it is not muslim insurgence it is terrorism orchestrated from outside iraq; it comes mainly from inside Syria and well proven from Iran along osama Bi Liner..

[FreeSpirit]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

How many German soldiers are still walking about then???????

Zan for the umpteenth time of asking :- And your reason is?

[zan]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

How many German soldiers are still walking about then???????

Zan for the umpteenth time of asking :- And your reason is?

The picture meant I am not spoon feeding you......

[FreeSpirit]

I understand your point, FreeSpirit, but how liberating to the Iraqi people is the current state of affairs? The Cheny-Rumsfeldt-Bush triumverate in its "infinite wisdom" must own responsibility for opening "Pandora's Box." The consequences America suffers are bad enough; those suffered by Iraq are far worse.

These aren't iraqis behind this, look what happened to Japan and Germany after the war ended
They were bombed far worse than iraq, the bombings on Germany makes the iraq skirmish look like a garden firework display.
Look how well those two countries fared under allied control; the reason, no scummbag muslims around stirring up trouble.
When will you people wake up and give over with this anti western garbage.
There is a plague sweeping the world today; that plague is islam.

I could show you how much my city was bombed during the WWII blitz, far worse than anything iraq suffered, I was born at a time when my city was being bombed regularly by the Germans, our playgrounds were the bombed building sites and disused air raid shelters, only in recent years were the air raid shelters at my old school demolished, my father worked in a factory during the daytime and was a fireman at night, my grandfather was fetched out of retirement to drive trains and help with the war effort.
Just remember WWII lasted 6 years not 6 weeks

How many German soldiers are still walking about then???????

Zan for the umpteenth time of asking :- And your reason is?

The picture meant I am not spoon feeding you......

And your point is?