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[DT.]

can you 2 please stop quoting the entire document every time you post please?

You are right.

no snappy comeback? Must be early.

[BC Numismatics]

Cyprus doesn't need either Greece or Turkey getting involved in its internal affairs.There is only one Cyprus - a federal republic with a governmental system borrowing from the Canadian system is the answer.

There should be no such thing as a 'Greek Cypriot state' & there should also be no such thing as a 'Turkish Cypriot state'.

As for the Cypriot courts,there should be an independent Constitutional Court with a provision to recruit judges from other British Commonwealth member states (including from Ireland,Somaliland,& Zimbabwe,but not from Cameroon or Mozambique),& it should be separate from the Supreme Court of Cyprus (which should be placed lower in the court hierarchy under the Constitutional Court).

Aidan.

Aidan, there should be no foreigners involved with the judicial, executive or legislative branches of this country.

I do not think any Cypriot would appreciate someone form Somaliland ruling on their own constitution.

DT.,there are judges that have been recruited from both New Zealand & Great Britain to serve on the courts of nearly all the British Commonwealth member states in the Pacific Ocean.A judge recruited from a British Commonwealth member state outside Cyprus can train up the native Cypriot judges in English common law principles,& the Constitutional Court of Cyprus would be more like the Constitutional Court of South Africa in terms of its set-up,but it would also have an influence from the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council as well.

Aidan.

[DT.]

Cyprus doesn't need either Greece or Turkey getting involved in its internal affairs.There is only one Cyprus - a federal republic with a governmental system borrowing from the Canadian system is the answer.

There should be no such thing as a 'Greek Cypriot state' & there should also be no such thing as a 'Turkish Cypriot state'.

As for the Cypriot courts,there should be an independent Constitutional Court with a provision to recruit judges from other British Commonwealth member states (including from Ireland,Somaliland,& Zimbabwe,but not from Cameroon or Mozambique),& it should be separate from the Supreme Court of Cyprus (which should be placed lower in the court hierarchy under the Constitutional Court).

Aidan.

Aidan, there should be no foreigners involved with the judicial, executive or legislative branches of this country.

I do not think any Cypriot would appreciate someone form Somaliland ruling on their own constitution.

DT.,there are judges that have been recruited from both New Zealand & Great Britain to serve on the courts of nearly all the British Commonwealth member states in the Pacific Ocean.A judge recruited from a British Commonwealth member state outside Cyprus can train up the native Cypriot judges in English common law principles,& the Constitutional Court of Cyprus would be more like the Constitutional Court of South Africa in terms of its set-up,but it would also have an influence from the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council as well.

Aidan.

why would a commonwealth judge need to train up a Cypriot judge on constitutional matters? As far as I know Cypriot judges have far greater experience on consitutional rulings than British judges who have not even got a constitution! Considering the age of most commonwealth states I wouldn't think many more have much more experience either.

[miltiades]

BBF is on offer take it or leave it....the choice is yours.

As a True Federation, I'll take it.

As a disguised Partition, NO THANKS.

Here is something for all to think about.

Had the 2004 AP passed by all Cypriots, the North would have been considered a Turkish Territory and in essence can do whatever they wished to do with it, continue being part of the "United Cyprus" or just say, the hell with it, we want to be Independent. I can guarantee you, had that been the case, the North would have declared Independence the same week as Kosovo and all those who are willing to recognise Kosovo would have had no choice but recognise the North also.

Guess what, with VP's kind of BBF, the same situation will exist again in the near future, if it's adapted. What's to stop it.???

I'm not revealing any secrets here. If I can read the "tea leaves" so can everyone else. That's why the BBF has been dubbed as a "disguised Partition". So what's the advantage for the GC's to say yes on VP's BBF. Perhaps VP can give us all the advantages to the GC's of his kind of BBF over a clean partition or staying as we are now.

When VP asked if I was in favour of BBF , I replied Yes in princible , but as Kikapu has said it must indeed be a true Federation and not a disguised partition dressed up to look like Unification /BBF as the AP was.
Going back to the AP , ONE OF MY MAIN OBJECTIONS WAS THE CONTENT REGARDING POLICE STATIONS ON THE ISLAND , 50% flying the Greek flag and 50% flying the Turkish flag .So much for an independent Cyprus !
There was of course the road division with some owned exclusively by Turkey and some by Greece. Yes , Turkey and Greece , but managed by their instruments !! There was of course the absence of International guarantees that the participant foreign power Turkey would honour its commitments , too shortsighted to have seen that the majority on the island DO NOT TRUST TURKEY , yet the people were expected to accept the AP with no questions asked , and now we have the ridiculuos assumption that the G/Cs rejected the AP because they opposed reunification !! The AP can form the basis of a renewed Plan but not the heart of it, and Turkey must accept that the people of Cyprus , a nation member of the EU do not need a chaperon especially one from the third world .

[denizaksulu]

can you 2 please stop quoting the entire document every time you post please?

You are right.

no snappy comeback? Must be early.

I am not saying I was wrong, just that you were right. Dont forget you have been 'awake' two hours ahead of me. Got the inspectors in too. Trying to get so much done before 9.00 UK time.

[halil]

can you 2 please stop quoting the entire document every time you post please?

You are right.

no snappy comeback? Must be early.

Are you upset DT,
İn both plans many TC's were moving away from their settled places .May be some of them were moving third time since 63 . This is the one of the differences DT. İt is not easy to move from your settled place all the time . You can tell me that those lands weren't them .You are right . But as long as Cyprus problem goes on we have no right to blame them . no one wanted to occupy any ones land . The things and sutiations are moved to people to except these kind of the things. They feel more safey in these kind of the settlement .That's why they are supporting Bi-zonal ,bi-communial solution . No one is after the no one land DT,
İ know my friend you will not like my comments but it is true . İ guess many times you did get chance to speak TC's why they are supporting this kind of the plans and they don't want to go back past conditions.

[BC Numismatics]

Cyprus doesn't need either Greece or Turkey getting involved in its internal affairs.There is only one Cyprus - a federal republic with a governmental system borrowing from the Canadian system is the answer.

There should be no such thing as a 'Greek Cypriot state' & there should also be no such thing as a 'Turkish Cypriot state'.

As for the Cypriot courts,there should be an independent Constitutional Court with a provision to recruit judges from other British Commonwealth member states (including from Ireland,Somaliland,& Zimbabwe,but not from Cameroon or Mozambique),& it should be separate from the Supreme Court of Cyprus (which should be placed lower in the court hierarchy under the Constitutional Court).

Aidan.

Aidan, there should be no foreigners involved with the judicial, executive or legislative branches of this country.

I do not think any Cypriot would appreciate someone form Somaliland ruling on their own constitution.

DT.,there are judges that have been recruited from both New Zealand & Great Britain to serve on the courts of nearly all the British Commonwealth member states in the Pacific Ocean.A judge recruited from a British Commonwealth member state outside Cyprus can train up the native Cypriot judges in English common law principles,& the Constitutional Court of Cyprus would be more like the Constitutional Court of South Africa in terms of its set-up,but it would also have an influence from the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council as well.

Aidan.

why would a commonwealth judge need to train up a Cypriot judge on constitutional matters? As far as I know Cypriot judges have far greater experience on consitutional rulings than British judges who have not even got a constitution! Considering the age of most commonwealth states I wouldn't think many more have much more experience either.

DT.,Great Britain DOES have a constitution,but it is not set out in one document.The Magna Carta was the very first English constitutional document.English judges are very well respected,which is why Mauritius,Dominica,Trinidad & Tobago,& Kiribati (which are all British Commonwealth republics) still allow appeals to be taken to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in London.

New Zealand's legal system used to be very well respected,but ever since the corrupt politicians over here decided to close down the right of appeal to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council (albeit,without consulting the people),the legal system has become a sick joke.

Aidan.

[DT.]

Cyprus doesn't need either Greece or Turkey getting involved in its internal affairs.There is only one Cyprus - a federal republic with a governmental system borrowing from the Canadian system is the answer.

There should be no such thing as a 'Greek Cypriot state' & there should also be no such thing as a 'Turkish Cypriot state'.

As for the Cypriot courts,there should be an independent Constitutional Court with a provision to recruit judges from other British Commonwealth member states (including from Ireland,Somaliland,& Zimbabwe,but not from Cameroon or Mozambique),& it should be separate from the Supreme Court of Cyprus (which should be placed lower in the court hierarchy under the Constitutional Court).

Aidan.

Aidan, there should be no foreigners involved with the judicial, executive or legislative branches of this country.

I do not think any Cypriot would appreciate someone form Somaliland ruling on their own constitution.

DT.,there are judges that have been recruited from both New Zealand & Great Britain to serve on the courts of nearly all the British Commonwealth member states in the Pacific Ocean.A judge recruited from a British Commonwealth member state outside Cyprus can train up the native Cypriot judges in English common law principles,& the Constitutional Court of Cyprus would be more like the Constitutional Court of South Africa in terms of its set-up,but it would also have an influence from the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council as well.

Aidan.

why would a commonwealth judge need to train up a Cypriot judge on constitutional matters? As far as I know Cypriot judges have far greater experience on consitutional rulings than British judges who have not even got a constitution! Considering the age of most commonwealth states I wouldn't think many more have much more experience either.

DT.,Great Britain DOES have a constitution,but it is not set out in one document.The Magna Carta was the very first English constitutional document.English judges are very well respected,which is why Mauritius,Dominica,Trinidad & Tobago,& Kiribati (which are all British Commonwealth republics) still allow appeals to be taken to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in London.

New Zealand's legal system used to be very well respected,but ever since the corrupt politicians over here decided to close down the right of appeal to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council (albeit,without consulting the people),the legal system has become a sick joke.

Aidan.

Aidan, the UK has no constitution and the Magna Carta and the Bill of rights are not it.

The UK parliament can actually change any law it likes without a ruling from a constitutional judge on whether it is an unconstitutional law or not.

There is no constituion and therefore there is no experience or knowlede that a UK judge can afford a Cypriot one.

With all due respect to Trinidad, Kiribati etc we are an EU member state and do not accept directions in our law by anyone apart from Brussels.

[Nikitas]

Who dropped the ball on the Gali ideas? The same person who said no to every single solution proposal since 1974 - Mr Denktash.

[BC Numismatics]

DT.,Malta is also both an E.U. member state & a British Commonwealth member state anyway.What do judges from countries such as Belgium,Germany,& France know about Cypriot law? Not very much,I'm afraid! A judge from the Republic of Ireland would feel right at home in the Cypriot judicial system,as the Irish legal system is based on the English system anyway.The same goes for a judge from Malta as well.

Aidan.