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[Eliko]

On page 1 of the thread 'A MEMBER Blows his Cover !!' a member (boomerang) made the statement:- "I am sure there must be a political solution avoiding the need for bloodshed" directed in response to one made by another member (miltiades).

The response from miltiades was :- "Yes there is...Abide by the election results"

I immediately questioned such a comment from miltiades and asked for his views on the elections conducted in Iraq and made reference to other matters, all in the same thread.

Unfortunately, miltiades has failed to respond despite being prompted to do so on more than one occasion.

I DO wonder whether he has any worthwhile views on the latest 'Fiasco' that has taken place in Zimbabwe, surely worthy of the same degree of incredulity as one would be experiencing as an observer of those other 'Suspect Elections'.

I would also question WHY the duly elected government of 'Hamas' is generally found to be unacceptable simply because Bush Blair and Olmert are opposed to it.

I also pointed out to miltiades the fact that Olmert was under investigation for some financial misdemeanours, fully expecting some intelligent response.

I must confess , there has been a certain abatement in my expectations.

Nonetheless, STILL I would hope for some explanation from miltiades, if only to discover just HOW one can cultivate such allegiance to the blatantly obvious Lies, Deceit, Hypocrisy and general Chicanery of the powers in question, which are so visible to the majority of those able to THINK about them.

Without the usual foul language and personal insults of course.

The exchanges referred to are all contained in the thread mentioned :- ( A MEMBER Blows his Cover !!.)

[denizaksulu]

Eliko dear,

Aren't you comparing figs with bananas? How dare you?



I am confused.

[Eliko]

Deniz, not wishing to cause you any confusion, perhaps I might point out several areas worthy of consideration in the matters I have mentioned.

The government now installed in Iraq has been described as a 'Gang of Warlords' who have been highly paid by the US to govern the nation.

The elections were (to put it mildly) 'Gerrymandered' and if one considers the situation in Iraq objectively, there could not possibly be any other way to form a government (other than by magic).

The elected political party 'Hamas' which came to power with a vast majority, is not recognized by Bush,Brown, (was Blair) Olmert and others, simply because it is not in agreement with that which the Western powers have in mind for it.

As a result, the governing body in that region is similarly under the direct influence of the West.

There are many other instances in today's world where the influence of the West has created what we have come to regard as 'Puppet States'.

The leaders of the West have personally enriched themselves and misappropriated billions of dollars during their terms of office, YET, they have the audacity to condemn others who may be doing the same thing.

President Olmert is currently under investigation for dishonesty, latest in a long line of political scandals.

How then may WE pass such harsh judgements on others (armed only with the scant knowledge we are allowed to receive) when our own system is suspect ?.

In the case of Zimbabwe, how does imposing more and more sanctions upon an already destitute population serve to alleviate suffering ?, surely such actions can only exacerbate such suffering.

Robert Mugabe is portrayed as a 'Monster', of course he is, he is resisting the West's intentions/desires/objectives to gain control of his nation, ultimately they probably WILL and then, as if by magic, everything will be fine, of course it will, the sanctions will be lifted.

The election 'Fiasco' in Zimbabwe is no different to those held elsewhere, Robert Mugabe is acting in the same manner as every other leader who found himself under siege by his enemies has done.

My views may be at odds with many BUT, they are based upon what I have seen and experienced rather than that which I have been TOLD.

I have a very low opinion of politicians, Cyprus should be wary of what may be in store for it, I think it will fall far short of expectations.

God Save us all from these 'Men of Integrity'.

In my humble opinion.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, not wishing to cause you any confusion, perhaps I might point out several areas worthy of consideration in the matters I have mentioned.

The government now installed in Iraq has been described as a 'Gang of Warlords' who have been highly paid by the US to govern the nation.

The elections were (to put it mildly) 'Gerrymandered' and if one considers the situation in Iraq objectively, there could not possibly be any other way to form a government (other than by magic).

The elected political party 'Hamas' which came to power with a vast majority, is not recognized by Bush,Brown, (was Blair) Olmert and others, simply because it is not in agreement with that which the Western powers have in mind for it.

As a result, the governing body in that region is similarly under the direct influence of the West.

There are many other instances in today's world where the influence of the West has created what we have come to regard as 'Puppet States'.

The leaders of the West have personally enriched themselves and misappropriated billions of dollars during their terms of office, YET, they have the audacity to condemn others who may be doing the same thing.

President Olmert is currently under investigation for dishonesty, latest in a long line of political scandals.

How then may WE pass such harsh judgements on others (armed only with the scant knowledge we are allowed to receive) when our own system is suspect ?.

In the case of Zimbabwe, how does imposing more and more sanctions upon an already destitute population serve to alleviate suffering ?, surely such actions can only exacerbate such suffering.

Robert Mugabe is portrayed as a 'Monster', of course he is, he is resisting the West's intentions/desires/objectives to gain control of his nation, ultimately they probably WILL and then, as if by magic, everything will be fine, of course it will, the sanctions will be lifted.

The election 'Fiasco' in Zimbabwe is no different to those held elsewhere, Robert Mugabe is acting in the same manner as every other leader who found himself under siege by his enemies has done.

My views may be at odds with many BUT, they are based upon what I have seen and experienced rather than that which I have been TOLD.

I have a very low opinion of politicians, Cyprus should be wary of what may be in store for it, I think it will fall far short of expectations.

God Save us all from these 'Men of Integrity'.

In my humble opinion.

I agree with you on the Iraqi problem. As for Mugabe, it only takes a bullet to his head. He will not leave on his own accord. But to compare them with our leaders!!! No, go Jose!

[Eliko]

Deniz, if you are prepared to agree on the Iraq problem, I find it quite difficult to understand your ability to differentiate between the leaders mentioned.

If we can accept that the murderous assault on the innocent nation of Iraq was based (as proven) on a 'Pack of Lies' (generalization) and I assume YOU do.

Then those who perpetrated the assault (our leaders) are surely cast in the same mould as any other statesman that oversees the death and destruction resulting from such assault.

In terms of numbers slaughtered, I think OUR leaders are worthy of comparison with Gengis Khan, the difference being that at least THAT gentleman had the courage to face his foes personally.

As to personal enrichment, ALL of the leaders seem to have done very well for themselves.

In my humble opinion (and I am off for a spell right now )