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[insan]

This is not going to take us anywhere. The fact is both Enosis and Taksim are dead, and future of Cyprus is united in one form or another whether we like it or not. So let's talk about that, instead of wasting time for "I was right, you were wrong" type of arguments.

First of all the brains of Cypriots must be unified on an uniqe history knowledge about Cyprus... Then I'm sure they will be able to elliminate all of the evil-mindeds, prejudices injected into their brains and all other steretypes.


How can you cook a meal if you are given a wrong recipe?


All of the past and present events regarding Cyprus tragedy that both parties are not agree on must be clarified and the criminals must be punished... otherwise It'll be impossible to unite Cypriots whther you might be able to unify Cyprus or not...

[Piratis]

Insan, you are acting like Turkish Cypriots are angels and Greek Cypriots are the ones to blame for everything. Personally I believe that Turkish Cypriots and Turks caused way more suffering to us than the other way around. Just a couple of days ago the Canadians recognized the Armenian genocide. Still, since we are going to live together I don't see why we should start throwing blames now. Let the history books to be written after some decades when people will be able to look back and see what happened in a more objective way.
Please stop acting like we are the monsters that want to destroy you. What are you trying to achieve with that? More hate? I think we had enough of that.

[insan]

Insan, you are acting like Turkish Cypriots are angels and Greek Cypriots are the ones to blame for everything. .
Please stop acting like we are the monsters that want to destroy you. What are you trying to achieve with that? More hate? I think we had enough of that.

I think that's happened in your dreams last night... and I emphasize again if your English ain't sufficient to understand what I said, please just tell me... I can write them all in Greek and send you via e-mail...


What does "all past and present facts regarding Cyprus tragedy which both parties haven't agreed on must be clarified and all criminals of this tragedy must be punished?" means? Does that mean what you said above?


A unified Cyprus with poisoned, divided, suspicious brains is impossible... Most of the Cypriots brains are full of fears, prejudices, injected wrong one-sided historical knowledge... Under this circumstances, you come and tell me let the history of Cypriots be written after a few decades..

Of coarse if we can manage to keep up the new unified Cyprus with all of those evil-mindeds, prejudiceds, fanatics, extremists and paranoids...


OK... go on then... I'm not intended to stop you to do what you believe is right...

[metecyp]

so mete... you mean there's no need for history books cause all that happened in the past and must be forgotten... What you gonna tell your children if one day they ask you whether TCs had to accept Enosis or not pre 60s or after 60s?

I didn't say that. It's true that one-sided propaganda exists on both sides, and that's something that we need to work together to eliminate. However, we both share the blame for the division today. Both Enosis and Taksim were wrong, and both sides did horrible things in order to achieve what they believed was right. But now hardly anyone believes in Taksim in the north, and same goes for Enosis in the south. Even if people in the south believe in Enosis, they know that it's not feasible. Nobody is going to try to repeat the big mistake of 1974 because GCs lost almost everything after Greek junta tried to take over in Cyprus. Similarly, we realized that Taksim and union with Turkey has no benefits for us.

I think we agree on most of what you say, but I'm just saying that PRESENT should be our priority not PAST. I agree with you that we need to rewrite history books on both sides, but our priority should be NOW.

Piratis has a unrealistic sense of democracy that favors his community, and that's the reason why he refused the Annan plan because he regarded it undemocratic. So let's talk about that, let's talk about why he considers it undemocratic, and why he shouldn't etc. Let's talk about why 75% of GCs said NO to the plan and let's talk about what we'll do next to unite our island, instead of talking about if it was right for GCs to demand Enosis in 1950s. That's all I'm saying here.

[Piratis]

Just moments ago you said that the heros that fought against the British before 1960 were fascists.
What makes you believe that today we can agree on how to write the history and who are the ones that have to be punished?

[insan]

Wouldn't it be better to put no restrictions on what we talk about? Cause as I said before, I believe that"all past and present facts regarding Cyprus tragedy which both parties haven't agreed on must be clarified and all criminals of this tragedy must be punished. A unified Cyprus with poisoned, divided, suspicious brains is impossible... Most of the Cypriots brains are full of fears, prejudices, injected wrong one-sided historical knowledge...


And basically that's why %75 percent of GCs and %35 of TCs said no to Annan Plan, in my opinion...

[Piratis]

Insan, do you think that today we can agree to what you are asking for. And even if we agree, do you think it will be feasible to punish those people now?

One example: Many Greek Cypriots believe that Denctash should be judged in the same way Milosevich or Hussein are. Say theoretically that you agree with that. Whats next? We send Denctash to the courts? If this happens thousands of T/C that consider him their leader will react in a very bad way I am sure. Cyprus will have no benefit, just more conflicts and unrest.

This is why I agree with Metecyp that we should emphasize on present and future, and live the past for the historians after some decades.

[insan]

Just moments ago you said that the heros that fought against the British before 1960 were fascists.
What makes you believe that today we can agree on how to write the history and who are the ones that have to be punished?

They fought against Brits to annex Cyprus to Greece... If they managed to achieve annexation with Greece TCs will be Greece minority. How much the Cyprus is your country is my country as well... Apparantly, Eoka didn't fight for Cypriots freedom and independence... They just fought for Greece agressive expansionist dreams. Who were the backers of Eoka? Some expansionist fascist finacers and junta...


And I emphasize it again... I didn't claim that TMT and their backers from Turkey didn't do anything similar what Eoka and their backers from Greece did... They committed almost the same crimes like Eoka and their backers from Greece did in Cyprus...

[insan]

Insan, do you think that today we can agree to what you are asking for. And even if we agree, do you think it will be feasible to punish those people now?

One example: Many Greek Cypriots believe that Denctash should be judged in the same way Milosevich or Hussein are. Say theoretically that you agree with that. Whats next? We send Denctash to the courts? If this happens thousands of T/C that consider him their leader will react in a very bad way I am sure. Cyprus will have no benefit, just more conflicts and unrest.

This is why I agree with Metecyp that we should emphasize on present and future, and live the past for the historians after some decades.

If we send all of them to the courts at the same time I'm sure most of the Cypriots will be thankful and happy to see those who are responsibles of Cyprus tragedy jailed.

Of coarse their gangs will react it very badly... maybe they will go beserk... take their guns out...


so tell me is our common future in those fascist gangs hands?

[Piratis]

I can understand that you wouldn't want such thing (and personally I wouldn't like to live in a far district of Greece either) but to go on and say that the people that fought against the colonialists where fascists is something very different that I can't agree.

This is why I said we should leave past behind. Today nobody wants enosis, so lets first solve the problems of today that affect us directly and then we will have all the time we need to find the "correct history" if such thing exists.