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Who will be the majority party after the 2006 Parliamentary Elections?

Poll ended at Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:56 pm

AKEL
4
44%
DHSY
2
22%
DHKO
2
22%
EDEK
1
11%
Other
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 9

Postby snchduer » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:28 pm

Hi again!

Piratis wrote:Very few Cypriots (both TCs and GCs) want no solution. The great majorities want solution and you can therefore call them "pro-solutionists" if you want. The difference is that most GCs want solution A and most TCs want solution B.

So, the problem is: where is the point between solution A and solution B (let's say these are the maximum demands) where both sides can meet? Sorry for the misunderstanding there, but "solution" for me is still sth that is acceptable to both sides in the conflict - everything else would be "demand" or "proposal".

Piratis wrote:The difference between legal and legitimate is that the first is mostly objective and the second quite subjective. This is why I use the word legal.

By the way, have you read the Annan plan? You talk about "guarantees for security and possibilities of political participation" for the TCs. Do you think we denied to the TCs such things? The demands of TCs are not just these obviously legitimate things but a ton of other outrageous things that no objective person can describe as legitimate.

e.g, are the bellow legitimate:

Demand that the 18% will control the 29% of the ground.
Demand that a foreign country should have the right to intervene in the independent and sovereign Cyprus.
Demand that the 18% should have 50% power and a blocking power on everything (1 TC vote to equal 4 GC votes)


mark my words - nowhere did I say that the Annan Plan provided a good solution (for instance, the proposed flag REALLY sucks!). But citing the bare legal facts, without seeing them in their context, in my opinion distorts the reality quite a bit. The ground demands for instance should be seen in the light of the 63-74 events (especially the displacements and casualties among TCs). For the foreign country intervention rights - I would favour Cypriots ruling their own (demilitarised) island, w/o guarantor powers (as this concept failed in the past). For the veto power - I think this should only apply to certain policies that affect the vital interests of Turkish Cypriots (GCs being the majority anyway); as there are: International Relations, EU relations, inner security. For quorae (how many percent should be TC/GC in certain institutions etc), I think a non-discrimination policy would get Cypriots much further than, say, 20% of places being guaranteed.

Everybody. Not all of them will actually go to live there again, but non wants to just give up its own property or to be given a compensation by some authority that will most probably not reflect the real value of the property (and actually, as per Annan plan, in the end we would compensate ourselves!!!, or you though Turkey or the TCs would give the billions needed for a true compensation?)


I see the sentence: Not all of them will actually go to live there again - i.e., they would also accept a (decent) compensation for their property. I agree that in theory, Turkey should pay for the compensations, but whether that is possible in practice? Maybe this should be part of the TR EU negotiations?

ps: please note that while I might defend certain positions, it is sometimes only to highlight "the other point of view" as well - not because I endorse a certain point of view.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:25 pm

So, the problem is: where is the point between solution A and solution B (let's say these are the maximum demands) where both sides can meet?


No, because demands can be unlimited. If I demand the whole world this doesn't mean I should get half of it, right? The solution should not be based on demands. The solution should be based on universally accepted principles like democracy, human rights, equality of all people irrespective of their race/language/religion etc. The EU principles and examples of other EU countries would be a good place to start.


Sorry for the misunderstanding there, but "solution" for me is still sth that is acceptable to both sides in the conflict - everything else would be "demand" or "proposal".

Can you clarify a bit by what you mean "acceptable"? For example if I ask from you to mail me all the money you have in your wallet right now would it be acceptable to you? How about if I ask the same question while I point a gun at you? Is this kind of "acceptable" you expect from Greek Cypriots? Do you think that such kind of acceptance is the solution? Or is it simply a part of the problem because "what goes around comes around", and this intercomunal conflict will continue forever?

The ground demands for instance should be seen in the light of the 63-74 events (especially the displacements and casualties among TCs).


Ok, so TCs had X amount of casualties and X amount of displaced people. Greek Cypriots had 10X the casulaties and 10X the displaced people. And thats without counting the centuries of oppression the Greek Cypriots suffered by the Ottomans. So why the ground arrangement for the future of Cyprus (and we hope it will be a solution that will last for long long time, right?) should be based on the events of a single decade, and not on the events that happened before and after that decade?
I don't understand why GCs should be punished for that 1 decade, and the TCs be rewarded even if they did worst things for 3 decades (and again, I am not even counting the centuries before that).

see the sentence: Not all of them will actually go to live there again - i.e., they would also accept a (decent) compensation for their property.

Maybe they would maybe they wouldn't. If some TCs want to buy some GC property in the north they can negotiate the price with the GC owner. If they agree, then no problem. If they don't agree, again there should be no problem and the GC should be allowed to use and enjoy his property as he/she wish. This is a decision that should be taken by each individual.
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Postby Piratis » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:56 am

Here are the result of the latest poll:

AKEL 27.2%
DISI 25.3%
DIKO 18.8%
EDEK 5.3%
European Party 2.9%
European Democracy 1.6%
Green Party 2%
United Democrats 1%
Other 0.4%
Blank 4.3%
Will not vote 1%
I don't know 10%

If you remove the "I'don't know, Will not vote and Blank" the resuls are about:
AKEL 31.4%
DISI 29.2%
DIKO 21.7%

(do the calculations for the rest)

As I predicted (so far) it seems that both big parties will lose something but DISI will lose more, and the party that will gain most will be DIKO that will climb from 14.8% to over 20%.

Oh, and EDI will stay out. It was about time becuase those people try to hurt RoC with their actions and they talk as if they represent anybody apart from themselves and their close relatives.
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Postby snchduer » Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:06 am

can sb enlighten me a bit about the parties on Cyprus? And what about the EDI party?
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