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Spiritual Terrorism against Cypriots!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:49 pm

Πνευματική τρομοκρατία
06/11/2008 | TΟΥ ΚΩΣΤΑΚΗ ΑΝΤΩΝΙΟΥ

Επιστολή στον Πρόεδρο της Δημοκρατίας, στην οποία προβαίνει σε ανάλυση θέσεων για το Κυπριακό και τις προοπτικές που διαγράφονται, υποβάλλει εισηγήσεις για διόρθωση της πορείας και προειδοποιεί για δυσάρεστες επιπτώσεις στο εθνικό θέμα από τυχόν διολισθήσεις, απέστειλε ο Επίτιμος Πρόεδρος της ΕΔΕΚ Βάσος Λυσσαρίδης. Όπως δήλωσε στη «Σ» ο κ. Λυσσαρίδης, η επιστολή απεστάλη προ πέντε ημερών και προτίθεται να τη δώσει στη δημοσιότητα, μετά τη συνεδρία του Εθνικού Συμβουλίου, που θα πραγματοποιηθεί την προσεχή Δευτέρα. Στην επιστολή του, ο Επίτιμος Πρόεδρος της ΕΔΕΚ ζητεί, μεταξύ άλλων, όπως τερματισθεί η πνευματική τρομοκρατία, όπως τη χαρακτηρίζει, η οποία ασκείται με τους χαρακτηρισμούς που προσάπτονται σε όσους διαφωνούν με τους χειρισμούς του Προέδρου Χριστόφια.
Τα περί πνευματικής τρομοκρατίας επανέλαβε ο κ. Λυσσαρίδης σε ομιλία του χθες το βράδυ, σε εκδήλωση στο Φρέναρος, με την ευκαιρία των 30χρονων της Επαρχιακής Οργάνωσης ΕΔΕΚ Αμμοχώστου.
«Δεν θα υποκύψουμε σε πνευματική τρομοκρατία με τη θέση ότι όποιος ασκεί κριτική στους προεδρικούς χειρισμούς είναι εχθρός της λύσης», διακήρυξε ο κ. Λυσσαρίδης.
Ο Επίτιμος Πρόεδρος της ΕΔΕΚ διαβλέπει κινδύνους εκτροπής και τονίζει την ανάγκη πανεθνικής ενότητας πάνω σε μια συγκεκριμένη γραμμή εθνικής σωτηρίας.
«Άρχισαν οι συνομιλίες χωρίς διασφάλιση ενός σωστού πλαισίου λύσης. Με κινδύνους κατολισθήσεων αλλά και αδιεξόδου, με όλες τις τραγικές συνέπειες, που θα αξιοποιήσουν οι προστάτες της Τουρκίας γι' αναβάθμιση του κατοχικού δορυφορικού καθεστώτος», ανέφερε ο κ. Λυσσαρίδης. Χαρακτηρίζει «απαράδεκτη παρέκκλιση» ανακοινώσεις για δυο φυλετικά κράτη, και αδιανόητο το συνεταιρισμό. «Αυτό είναι ένα θέμα που έχει λυθεί από το 1964, μετά την αποχώρηση των Τουρκοκυπρίων από τα πολιτειακά σώματα. Ολόκληρη η ανθρωπότητα αναγνώρισε το Μακάριο ως το μόνο εκπρόσωπο όλων των Κυπρίων, και πρόεδρο όλης της κυπριακής επικράτειας», τόνισε.
Εποικισμός, εγγυήσεις και εκ περιτροπής προεδρία
Απαντώντας εμμέσως σε παραχωρήσεις του Προέδρου Χριστόφια, ο κ. Λυσσαρίδης υπογράμμισε ότι «δεν είναι νοητή η εκ περιτροπής προεδρία, η νομιμοποίηση του εποικισμού, και η αποδοχή εγγυήσεων».
«Θα πρέπει», πρόσθεσε, «να διαφυλάξουμε τη γραμμή που διακηρύχθηκε προεκλογικά. Για λύση που να διασφαλίζει την ενότητα του χώρου, του κράτους, της οικονομίας, των θεσμών, τα ανθρώπινα δικαιώματα των πολιτών, συμπεριλαμβανομένου και του δικαιώματος επιστροφής όλων των προσφύγων».
ΕΟΚΑ και αντιχουντικός αγώνας
Ο Βάσος Λυσσαρίδης έκανε ιδιαίτερη αναφορά και στην παραχάραξη της εθνικής μας ταυτότητας και κάλεσε όλους να αντιταχθούν στην προσπάθεια. «Δεν θα ανεχθούμε υπονόμευση του μεγάλου αντιαποικιακού αγώνα της ΕΟΚΑ, που αποτελεί λαμπρή σελίδα της νεότερής μας ιστορίας», δήλωσε. Και πρόσθεσε: «Ο Αυξεντίου δεν ήταν μέλος τρομοκρατικής οργάνωσης, ούτε αφελής. Η ηρωική του φυσιογνωμία ξεπέρασε ακόμα τα σύνορα του Ελληνισμού. Ούτε για τον αντιχουντικό αγώνα θα δεχθούμε στρεβλώσεις ή τον υπέροχο αγώνα του λαού μας, με την ΕΔΕΚ επικεφαλής, ενάντια στην ΕΟΚΑ, που μερικοί τον ισοπέδωσαν με τις αλχημείες για βία και αντιβία. Ούτε θα εκχωρήσουμε τον τίτλο του αγωνιστή σε ενόχους, ή επιτήδειους ουδέτερους».
Προδώθηκε η Αμμόχωστος
Στην ομιλία του, ο Βάσος Λυσσαρίδης δήλωσε ότι η πόλη των Βαρωσίων δεν περιλαμβανόταν στους τουρκικούς σχεδιασμούς και αποκάλυψε ότι «εκπρόσωποι του ΟΗΕ προειδοποίησαν τους τότε κυβερνώντες να παροτρύνουν τους κατοίκους να παραμείνουν στην πόλη. Οι κυβερνώντες κώφευσαν. Τελικά -τόνισε- με προσήγγισαν μέσω φιλικής πρεσβείας. Ετοίμασα αμέσως ανακοίνωση, την οποία απέστειλε στο τότε υπό τρομοκρατία λειτουργούντα ΡΙΚ. Η ανακοίνωση δεν δημοσιοποιήθηκε. Ο Δημήτρης Ανδρέου έδωσε τη μαρτυρία του για την απαγόρευση. Η τελική πράξη της προδοσίας συνετελέσθη. Ήταν φυσικό οι κάτοικοι, χωρίς προστασία και ενημέρωση, να εγκαταλείψουν την πόλη».


The translation from Google is as follows(apologies once again for the rough translation):

Intellectual terrorism
06/11/2008 | TOU KOSTAKI ANTONIOU

Letter to the President of the Republic, which makes analysis positions on Cyprus and the prospects outlined, submit suggestions for correcting the course and warns against unpleasant effects on the national issue of any slippages, sent by the Honorary President of EDEK Vassos Lyssaridis. As stated in «S» Mr Lyssaridis, the letter was sent to five days and intends to give publicity to following the session of the National Council, to be held next Monday. In his letter, the Honorary President of EDEK calls, among other things, such as intellectual outlaw terrorism, as the characteristic, over the status of which those who disagree with the handling of President Christofias.
The intellectual terrorism Mr Lyssaridis reiterated in a speech last night, an event in Frenaros, on the occasion of the Provincial Organization 30chronon EDEK Famagusta.
«We will not succumb to intellectual terrorism with the view that anyone who criticizes the presidential manipulation is the enemy of the solution», declared Mr Lyssaridis.
The Honorary President of EDEK sees risks of diversion and stresses the need for nationwide unity on a particular line of national salvation.
«They began the talks without securing a proper framework solution. With risks of landslides and deadlock, with all its tragic consequences, which will use the protectors of Turkey for upgrading the occupation regime satellite », Mr Lyssaridis. Characterizes «unacceptable derogation» announcements for two racially states, and unthinkable partnership. «This is an issue that has been solved since 1964, after the withdrawal of the Turkish Cypriots by the state bodies. The entire mankind recognized the Makarios as the only representative of all Cypriots and Cypriot President entire territory », said.
Colonization, and guarantees rotating presidency
Replying indirectly to concessions by President Christofias, Mr Lyssaridis stressed that «it is conceivable the rotating presidency of money colonization, and the acceptance of guarantees».
«We must», he added, «to preserve the line proclaimed election. For a solution that ensures the unity of the area, the state of the economy, institutions, human rights, including the right of return of all refugees ».
EOKA struggle and antichountikos
The Vassos Lyssaridis made special mention and counterfeiting of our national identity and called upon all to oppose the effort. «We will not tolerate undermining the great anti-colonial struggle of EOKA, a brilliant page of our recent history», he said. And he added: «The Afxentiou was not a member of terrorist organization, nor naive. The heroic figure exceeded even the borders of Hellenism. Neither the antichountiko race will accept distortions or noble struggle of our people, the EDEK leader, against the EOKA, which some leveling with the alchimeies for violence and antivia. Nor would give the title of a fighter guilty, or epitideious neutral ».
Prodothike Famagusta
In his speech, Vassos Lyssaridis said that the city of Varosion not included in the planning and Turkish revealed that «representatives of the UN warned the then leaders to urge residents to remain in the city. Its leaders kofefsan. Finally-with-stressed approached by a friendly embassy. Prepared immediately notice, sent to then-powered RIK terrorism. The announcement is not made public. Dimitris Andreou gave the testimony for the ban. The final act of betrayal synetelesthi. It was natural for residents without protection and information, to leave the city ».


http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/82187

Have Cypriots become narrow minded or intolerant to other views?

This article seems to outline Mr. Lyssaridis objections on the way President Christofias is handling the Cyprus Issue. He mentions that anyone who deviates from The Governments policies is deemed an "enemy to a solution". He defines this as "Spiritual Terrorism".

This attitude that Mr. Lyssaridis eludes to seems to also emanate on CF as well. How often have some of us been labelled a "fanatic", "extremist", or "unrealistic Romantic", by the defeatist forces which are a danger to our long term existence on the island.

The IRONY is that, THOSE who support:
1. a solution which includes Racially Divisive elements, and discriminatory provisions,
2. the curtailment of basic Human Rights & Freedoms, (with permanent derogations from the European Acquis – which will become EU Primary Law),
3. the unworkability and economic implications of a System of Governance with 4 Legislative Bodies (2 of the States and 2 of the Federal Gov.), 3 Police bodies, 3 Judiciaries, etc.
4. Provisions, one never sees in modern Democracies
5. The unjust “Equal Power Sharing” between a 4:1 of Majority: Minority (In actual fact, the veto power, provides the side which imposes it, with a 51% power – i.e. If the G/C propose a Law/Action and the T/Cs veto it, The T/Cs win!!)
6. The total disregard and self-nullification of our strongest Legal armamentarium (ECHRs Decisions, and numerous International Treaties relating to HR, State-to-State relationships, Settlement of Occupied areas by occupiers, etc)
7. and accept imperial/occupying/forever-interfering powers to have unilateral right of intervention on an independent state
8. the rights of a illegal Settler more than the rights of the Refugee
9. the “prostitution” of our proud History and recent moves by the Min. of Education [in Cyprus])
10. etc, etc..

are the “proud” and self-proclaimed “Progressives”, “Democrats”, “Realists”, “Reunification-lovers”, Peace-lovers”, and the list goes on…

AND THOSE who vehemently reject the above and defend:
1. the right to be FREE from the occupation,
2. the right to Live and Work ANYWHERE he/she chooses in their own country,
3. the right to live in a state where the Rule of Law and the respect of Human Rights of every citizen, DEVOID OF ANY FORM of DESCRIMINATION, is a condition sine qua non
4. the right to return back to his/her Land and Home, the Land of his/her ancestors
5. the right to live in their own country with dignity and where they will be safeguarded by all the provisions that the EU legislature and norms, enjoyed by all the European citizens and all people in the civilised world, devoid of redundant Guarantor provisions and interferences.
6. the right to be taught History as it is and not as it suits some
7. etc, etc…

are so flippantly accused as “the Extremists/Nationalists”, “the Dreamers/Romantics”, “the Non-realists”, “those who do NOT want the Reunification of their country”, “those who do NOT want Peace”, and the list goes on…
(inferring, of course, their inability to accept differences, to forgive, to go-on with life, to co-exist with their fellow man!!!)

Well, if that is the case, I might as well be known as the latter!!!

Mr. Lysaridis also makes mention of those cowards that are systematically attempting to change our national identity by betraying our Hellenism. He also blasts those that are systematically undermining our history and those that sacrificed so much so that we can achieve our self determination. Cypriots need to be vigilant against this regression.

Those that deny our Hellenistic heritage or wish to deny us the right of expressing our views without being labelled everything under the sun, need to cease at once this Spiritual Terrorism committed against Cypriots. :evil:
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Re: Spiritual Terrorism against Cypriots!

Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:58 pm

Paphitis wrote:Those that deny our Hellenistic heritage or wish to deny us the right of expressing our views without being labelled everything under the sun, need to cease at once this Spiritual Terrorism committed against Cypriots. :evil:

If you MUST sell your soul and country to another country then at least have the intelligence to choose one that is willing & able to come to your aid in time of need because otherwise you will have accomplished nothing less than suicide... Image
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:03 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Those that deny our Hellenistic heritage or wish to deny us the right of expressing our views without being labelled everything under the sun, need to cease at once this Spiritual Terrorism committed against Cypriots. :evil:

If you MUST sell your soul and country to another country then at least have the intelligence to choose one that is willing & able to come to your aid in time of need because otherwise you will have accomplished nothing less than suicide... Image


It's off to Quantanamo Bay with you, filthy terrorist. :evil:

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Re: Spiritual Terrorism against Cypriots!

Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:09 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Those that deny our Hellenistic heritage or wish to deny us the right of expressing our views without being labelled everything under the sun, need to cease at once this Spiritual Terrorism committed against Cypriots. :evil:

If you MUST sell your soul and country to another country then at least have the intelligence to choose one that is willing & able to come to your aid in time of need because otherwise you will have accomplished nothing less than suicide... Image


It's off to Quantanamo Bay with you, filthy terrorist. :evil:

:lol:

The Greek wet dream is long over and you’d better believe it, and given that the TC administration represents nothing but Turkish interests then Cyprus’ only option is to keep arming, continue to improve military relationships with France and Russia, and hope for the best in geopolitical development.
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:16 pm

First observation is that Google translations suck rocks!

Second observatin is that this critique of Christofias is especially serious because it comes from a historic figure of the LEFT and also because Lyssaridis has been part of the political life and elite of Cyprus since the 1950s.

Lyssaridis was interviewed on Greek TV during the pre Annan plan days, alongside a TC politician, and the Greek interviewers were a little embarassed to hear him address the TC with the phrase "I imagine you are as proud of your Turkish heritage as I am of my Greek one, and neither one of us has any reason to abandon our heritage inorder to solve our problem". The funny thing was that the TC politician agreed and smiled,shaking his head emphatically as he listened to Lyssaridis through the translation system. Two Cypriots agreeing while the Greeks looked on embarassed and some horrified.

In Greece , it is currently not politically correct to proclaim pride in one's heritage, it is all multi culti these days in which all cultures can be glorified, except the Greek one.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:37 pm

Nikitas wrote:First observation is that Google translations suck rocks!

Second observatin is that this critique of Christofias is especially serious because it comes from a historic figure of the LEFT and also because Lyssaridis has been part of the political life and elite of Cyprus since the 1950s.

Lyssaridis was interviewed on Greek TV during the pre Annan plan days, alongside a TC politician, and the Greek interviewers were a little embarassed to hear him address the TC with the phrase "I imagine you are as proud of your Turkish heritage as I am of my Greek one, and neither one of us has any reason to abandon our heritage inorder to solve our problem". The funny thing was that the TC politician agreed and smiled,shaking his head emphatically as he listened to Lyssaridis through the translation system. Two Cypriots agreeing while the Greeks looked on embarassed and some horrified.

In Greece , it is currently not politically correct to proclaim pride in one's heritage, it is all multi culti these days in which all cultures can be glorified, except the Greek one.


That's exactly right Nikitas. Mr. Lyssaridis' reactions to current developments serves as an excellent barometer on our current direction.

I feel that Mr. Lyssarides’ stance is both legitimate and timely. A worthy intervention by a worthy Statesman!

I find the following particularly interesting...

"I imagine you are as proud of your Turkish heritage as I am of my Greek one, and neither one of us has any reason to abandon our heritage inorder to solve our problem".


As far as I am concerned, Mr. Lyssaridis is absolutely correct. I don't believe the TCs will ever abandon their cultural roots. And neither should we.

The question is, will the TCs demonstrate more loyalty to the Cypriot state in the event of re-unification and place the Cypriot nation above all else?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:41 pm

Paphitis wrote:I don't believe the TCs will ever abandon their cultural roots. And neither should we.

It's amazing how many Greek Cypriots just LOVE & PROMOTE partition... and then go on to boast about their patriotism! Image
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:47 pm

Paphitis,

If both GCs and TCs can perceive the special status of being Greek and Turkish communities existing independently outside the frontiers of their respective motherlands, then we can hope for a solution. If the intentionis nothing more than to give Turkey the strategic advantage over Cyprus inorder to pursue its dreams on the eastern Mediterranean then we are simply laying the stage for the next clash.

A few days ago Turkish warships harassed foreign ships carrying out exploration in the Cyprus Exclusive Economic Zone well south of the island. Turkey's views that Cyprus has no continental shelf are supported by TCs, and that says a lot about who they are aligned with on basic issues of Cypriot independence.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:49 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I don't believe the TCs will ever abandon their cultural roots. And neither should we.

It's amazing how many Greek Cypriots just LOVE & PROMOTE partition... and then go on to boast about their patriotism! Image


I am not boasting anything. I am just wanting to have a rational discussion. Something which is not possible with you.

I loathe partition just as much as you. I also oppose the concept of loose BBF, as outlined in my initial post.

This is a serious topic and I would really hope you show some respect and not trash it. It is an interesting topic and many people may wish to provide a serious viewpoint about the subject at hand.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:01 pm

If both GCs and TCs can perceive the special status of being Greek and Turkish communities existing independently outside the frontiers of their respective motherlands, then we can hope for a solution. If the intentionis nothing more than to give Turkey the strategic advantage over Cyprus inorder to pursue its dreams on the eastern Mediterranean then we are simply laying the stage for the next clash.


I totally agree, Nikitas. The issue is not how people identify themselves ethnically. If both communities show allegiance to the Cypriot state, as opposed to the motherlands, then we all have a chance at solving the Cyprus Problem. I think the GCs are beyond attaching themselves to the motherland. I do not believe that Cypriots need to deny their ethnic identity in order to achieve this.

A few days ago Turkish warships harassed foreign ships carrying out exploration in the Cyprus Exclusive Economic Zone well south of the island. Turkey's views that Cyprus has no continental shelf are supported by TCs, and that says a lot about who they are aligned with on basic issues of Cypriot independence.


I am aware of the incident. This is going to be the biggest issue that Cyprus wil face in the next few years. If there is oil and natural gas in our EEZ, I think that Turkey will issue a Casus Belli if Cyprus attempts any drilling.

This is a provocation, and is clear evidence of Turkey's real intentions on Cyprus.
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