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[Get Real!]

"No human tragedy has been the subject of such blatant political exploitation as the case of missing persons in Cyprus...."

Don't forget your link Zanny...

http://www.ataa.org/reference/trnc/briefing_trnc.html

[zan]

"No human tragedy has been the subject of such blatant political exploitation as the case of missing persons in Cyprus...."

Don't forget your link Zanny...

http://www.ataa.org/reference/trnc/briefing_trnc.html

There are many other sites that have that GR so not so clever by you........SO WHAT!!!!!!!! The fact is that you have been exploiting the lies of missing persons.......FACT!!!!

Tpap screwed it all up for you with his OXI on the A plan GR...LIve with it...It showed the world what GCs like you think and how far you are prepared to go to complete your union with Greece.....It ain't gonna happen buddy...Get used to it.

[Kifeas]

GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??

Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.

Is that all? What about the Cypriot coupists who should have been held responsible?
Is it not a crime to organise a coup d'état against the government?
Is it not a crime to kill fellow countrymen in the process?

It is important to understand who the actual coupists were, in order to administer the blame. The coup was carried out by the National Guard, which was a Greek Cypriot Army, but whose officers at the time (i.e. those in the highest ranks,) were military personnel seconded to the National Guard from the Greek Army. Cyprus -not having a military tradition itself, did not at the time have a sufficient number of Cypriot officers with considerable experience, (i.e. adequate number of years in service,) to be qualified in filling out the highest ranks of the pyramid. Those Greek officers (not all of them but a certain group,) since they belonged at the same time to the Greek Army (they were receiving double salaries -one from Greece one from the RoC,) were also loyal and under the command of the junta generals that were ruling Greece at the time, i.e. to those who planned and decided to coup against Makarios. In a nutshell, a Cypriot army acting under the orders of foreign (Greek) officers turned against its own government and overthrew it. Who do you blame and held accountable, the regular Cypriot soldiers that executed the coup, or the officers and the regime in Greece that gave the orders to these soldiers?

[Get Real!]

Tpap screwed it all up for you with his OXI on the A plan GR...LIve with it...

I, along with hundreds of thousand others VOTED AGAINST the AP in a DEMOCRATIC referendum thank you... no sweat.

I must say, as time goes by you're starting to sound more and more like your brother/cousin/boyfriend Ricco...

[zan]

Tpap screwed it all up for you with his OXI on the A plan GR...LIve with it...

I, along with hundreds of thousand others VOTED AGAINST the AP in a DEMOCRATIC referendum thank you... no sweat.

I must say, as time goes by you're starting to sound more and more like your brother/cousin/boyfriend Ricco...

While Tpap brain washed you with money that was supposed to be spent on convincing you he used to bolster the OXI vote.......Boy the UN are pissed at that......And you think you had a choice...Poor little fool...
Off to kiss my TC parents hands for Bayram....See ya!!!!!!

[iceman]

GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??

Re Sampson…

“In 1977 Sampson was the only participant in the coup to face trial. He was sentenced to 20 years’ imprisonment, but in 1979 he was permitted to go to France for medical treatment. He returned to prison in 1990, but he was freed again because of his continuing poor health.”

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... os-Sampson

The country was pretty much split down the middle for or against the coup so it became extremely messy when half the country attempted to condemn the other half! Also, many coupists escaped to Greece never to return.

I recall brother arresting brother or son arresting father during the coup... such was the mental poisoning emanating from Greece all those years.

So basically what you are saying is that no one got punished for the events of 15-20 July 1974 and consequently causing Turkish invasion/intervention (which ever you like to call it)

one other guess question...Let's assume Turkey did not come and government forces restored power.

Would the families of the people killed in coup forgive those who caused the death of their loved ones?
Would the justice system of the Republic of Cyprus allow them to walk away?

[iceman]

GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??

Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.

Is that all? What about the Cypriot coupists who should have been held responsible?
Is it not a crime to organise a coup d'état against the government?
Is it not a crime to kill fellow countrymen in the process?

It is important to understand who the actual coupists were, in order to administer the blame. The coup was carried out by the National Guard, which was a Greek Cypriot Army, but whose officers at the time (i.e. those in the highest ranks,) were military personnel seconded to the National Guard from the Greek Army. Cyprus -not having a military tradition itself, did not at the time have a sufficient number of Cypriot officers with considerable experience, (i.e. adequate number of years in service,) to be qualified in filling out the highest ranks of the pyramid. Those Greek officers (not all of them but a certain group,) since they belonged at the same time to the Greek Army (they were receiving double salaries -one from Greece one from the RoC,) were also loyal and under the command of the junta generals that were ruling Greece at the time, i.e. to those who planned and decided to coup against Makarios. In a nutshell, a Cypriot army acting under the orders of foreign (Greek) officers turned against its own government and overthrew it. Who do you blame and held accountable, the regular Cypriot soldiers that executed the coup, or the officers and the regime in Greece that gave the orders to these soldiers?

Kifeas
I understand what you are saying,but according to the casuality list posted by GR there is only 5 Greek military personel...am i missing something here?

[Kifeas]

GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??

Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.

Is that all? What about the Cypriot coupists who should have been held responsible?
Is it not a crime to organise a coup d'état against the government?
Is it not a crime to kill fellow countrymen in the process?

It is important to understand who the actual coupists were, in order to administer the blame. The coup was carried out by the National Guard, which was a Greek Cypriot Army, but whose officers at the time (i.e. those in the highest ranks,) were military personnel seconded to the National Guard from the Greek Army. Cyprus -not having a military tradition itself, did not at the time have a sufficient number of Cypriot officers with considerable experience, (i.e. adequate number of years in service,) to be qualified in filling out the highest ranks of the pyramid. Those Greek officers (not all of them but a certain group,) since they belonged at the same time to the Greek Army (they were receiving double salaries -one from Greece one from the RoC,) were also loyal and under the command of the junta generals that were ruling Greece at the time, i.e. to those who planned and decided to coup against Makarios. In a nutshell, a Cypriot army acting under the orders of foreign (Greek) officers turned against its own government and overthrew it. Who do you blame and held accountable, the regular Cypriot soldiers that executed the coup, or the officers and the regime in Greece that gave the orders to these soldiers?

Kifeas
I understand what you are saying,but according to the casuality list posted by GR there is only 5 Greek military personel...am i missing something here?

Iceman, didn't I say that the troops that attacked the presidential palace and other posts in Nicosia, where Cypriot troops acting under the orders of their ("Greek") officers?

[Get Real!]

GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??

Re Sampson…

“In 1977 Sampson was the only participant in the coup to face trial. He was sentenced to 20 years’ imprisonment, but in 1979 he was permitted to go to France for medical treatment. He returned to prison in 1990, but he was freed again because of his continuing poor health.”

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... os-Sampson

The country was pretty much split down the middle for or against the coup so it became extremely messy when half the country attempted to condemn the other half! Also, many coupists escaped to Greece never to return.

I recall brother arresting brother or son arresting father during the coup... such was the mental poisoning emanating from Greece all those years.

So basically what you are saying is that no one got punished for the events of 15-20 July 1974 and consequently causing Turkish invasion/intervention (which ever you like to call it)

one other guess question...Let's assume Turkey did not come and government forces restored power.

Would the families of the people killed in coup forgive those who caused the death of their loved ones?
Would the justice system of the Republic of Cyprus allow them to walk away?

I for one don't forgive any coupist but I can't answer for everyone else. The justice system of Cyprus was in tatters... it takes a while for order to be restored and for common sense to prevail after such catastrophic acts. Chile is still trying to recover from theirs 40 years on...

[iceman]

GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??

Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.

Is that all? What about the Cypriot coupists who should have been held responsible?
Is it not a crime to organise a coup d'état against the government?
Is it not a crime to kill fellow countrymen in the process?

It is important to understand who the actual coupists were, in order to administer the blame. The coup was carried out by the National Guard, which was a Greek Cypriot Army, but whose officers at the time (i.e. those in the highest ranks,) were military personnel seconded to the National Guard from the Greek Army. Cyprus -not having a military tradition itself, did not at the time have a sufficient number of Cypriot officers with considerable experience, (i.e. adequate number of years in service,) to be qualified in filling out the highest ranks of the pyramid. Those Greek officers (not all of them but a certain group,) since they belonged at the same time to the Greek Army (they were receiving double salaries -one from Greece one from the RoC,) were also loyal and under the command of the junta generals that were ruling Greece at the time, i.e. to those who planned and decided to coup against Makarios. In a nutshell, a Cypriot army acting under the orders of foreign (Greek) officers turned against its own government and overthrew it. Who do you blame and held accountable, the regular Cypriot soldiers that executed the coup, or the officers and the regime in Greece that gave the orders to these soldiers?

Kifeas
I understand what you are saying,but according to the casuality list posted by GR there is only 5 Greek military personel...am i missing something here?

Iceman, didn't I say that the troops that attacked the presidential palace and other posts in Nicosia, where Cypriot troops acting under the orders of their ("Greek") officers?

You did,but i find it very hard to accept how these men under the command of Greek officers be so insane as to kill their compatriots!!!
I also don't accept as an excuse that they were under military command,so they should be regarded innocent.
They (coupist Cypriots) were armed grown up men and should have stood up against committing these crimes against their own people...Since they did not, i believe they are guilty and should have been punished..