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[Piratis]

So basically what you are saying is that no one got punished for the events of 15-20 July 1974 and consequently causing Turkish invasion/intervention (which ever you like to call it)

Iceman, the Junta Generals in Greece were jailed (I believe they are still in the jails) and Samson was jailed for several years as well.

Several others should have been arrested as well, but to say that every soldier should have been arrested is an exaggeration.

The equivalent in your site would be to put Ecevit and the Turkish generals in jail, but you didn't even do that. Instead of that you celebrate the invasion! So you have a lot more things to do on your side regarding punishing criminals, before asking from us to punish every single soldier that participated in the coup. Do you think every Turkish/TC soldier that participated in the invasion should be jailed as well?

Also, what caused the Turkish invasion was the desire of Turkey and TCs to take half of Cyprus, and this was a very defined plan that existed since the 50s.

The coup was just the excuse the Turks were waiting for. Don't confuse the cause with the excuse.

[Viewpoint]

Its all Greek to us, how do we know those names are not just made up?

I was just under 10 back then yet I know 4-5 people from these lists.

With all due respects anyone can make that claim but it doesnt confirm that these lists are not ficticious or at best inflated.

So Turkey did an invasion, ethnically cleansing 1/3rd of Cypriots from their homes, without killing anybody. That is what you are trying to say? Turkey killed no Cypriots", "Turkey killed no Armenians", "Turkey Killed no Kurds". Denying all your crimes, usual Turkish tactic, nothing new.

Or maybe the 100s of thousands of GCs that were ethnically cleansed is also fictitious, and the north part of Cyprus was always inhabited by Turks ... right VP?

No Piratis no one is claiming GCs, TCs and Turks were not killed unfortunately they were, we are just questioning your use of figures to distort and support your propaganda in persuading people that you had every right to play with the bomb which exploded in your face, then crying wolf, we have noway of checking the figures you put forward, were they killed during the coup or during the Turkish intervention, as you never aceept any data we put forward why should we accept yours?

[iceman]

So basically what you are saying is that no one got punished for the events of 15-20 July 1974 and consequently causing Turkish invasion/intervention (which ever you like to call it)

Iceman, the Junta Generals in Greece were jailed (I believe they are still in the jails) and Samson was jailed for several years as well.

Several others should have been arrested as well, but to say that every soldier should have been arrested is an exaggeration.

Piratis
I did not say every soldier should have been punished,but i always believed there were civilian factors involved (EOKA-B) who got away.
Easy to point the finger on Greek generals but no one seems to want to lay any accusation or blame on EOKA-B for the coup..

[DT.]

So basically what you are saying is that no one got punished for the events of 15-20 July 1974 and consequently causing Turkish invasion/intervention (which ever you like to call it)

Iceman, the Junta Generals in Greece were jailed (I believe they are still in the jails) and Samson was jailed for several years as well.

Several others should have been arrested as well, but to say that every soldier should have been arrested is an exaggeration.

The equivalent in your site would be to put Ecevit and the Turkish generals in jail, but you didn't even do that. Instead of that you celebrate the invasion! So you have a lot more things to do on your side regarding punishing criminals, before asking from us to punish every single soldier that participated in the coup. Do you think every Turkish/TC soldier that participated in the invasion should be jailed as well?

Also, what caused the Turkish invasion was the desire of Turkey and TCs to take half of Cyprus, and this was a very defined plan that existed since the 50s.

The coup was just the excuse the Turks were waiting for. Don't confuse the cause with the excuse.

Piratis, you know as well as I do that some of those pshycopaths that committed high treason against our republic are still around. These were guys in the "inner circle" of the coup. They never got punished for anything when in fact they should have been rounded up and shot for treason.

[Kifeas]

So basically what you are saying is that no one got punished for the events of 15-20 July 1974 and consequently causing Turkish invasion/intervention (which ever you like to call it)

Iceman, the Junta Generals in Greece were jailed (I believe they are still in the jails) and Samson was jailed for several years as well.

Several others should have been arrested as well, but to say that every soldier should have been arrested is an exaggeration.

Piratis
I did not say every soldier should have been punished,but i always believed there were civilian factors involved (EOKA-B) who got away.
Easy to point the finger on Greek generals but no one seems to want to lay any accusation or blame on EOKA-B for the coup..

My friend, I do not think it is that difficult to imagine that after the Turkish invasion, the almost 200,000 refugees living in tents and more than a third of Cyprus under occupation, all energy and outmost unity among the GC society were needed, in order to make up for the disaster and to reverse Turkey’s fait accompli and further plans. Therefore, it was pointless to start scrapping the pre-invasion wounds, in the face of other, many more, much bigger and bleeding ones, as a result of Turkey’s invasion. Yes, some more GCs could have been punished, but for what purpose? The damage was already done, and what was needed was to minimise the loss of it, rather than arguing among ourselves on whose fault it was.

[Piratis]

So basically what you are saying is that no one got punished for the events of 15-20 July 1974 and consequently causing Turkish invasion/intervention (which ever you like to call it)

Iceman, the Junta Generals in Greece were jailed (I believe they are still in the jails) and Samson was jailed for several years as well.

Several others should have been arrested as well, but to say that every soldier should have been arrested is an exaggeration.

Piratis
I did not say every soldier should have been punished,but i always believed there were civilian factors involved (EOKA-B) who got away.
Easy to point the finger on Greek generals but no one seems to want to lay any accusation or blame on EOKA-B for the coup..

Yes iceman, this is why I said that "Several others should have been arrested as well". I was referring to some high ranking members of EOKA B.

But you know what, today the TCs have no problem with those people. DISY that harbors most of them is the only party that voted "yes" in the referendum, and some EOKA B people like Pourgourides were among the biggest advocates of that plan. TCs love them!

On the other hand, most of those who died during the coup while defending democracy were members of EDEK and DIKO. These are the people who are now labeled by some Bananiots as "extremists", "nationalists" etc, because today they continue to insist on democracy, just like they did back then.

[iceman]

So basically what you are saying is that no one got punished for the events of 15-20 July 1974 and consequently causing Turkish invasion/intervention (which ever you like to call it)

Iceman, the Junta Generals in Greece were jailed (I believe they are still in the jails) and Samson was jailed for several years as well.

Several others should have been arrested as well, but to say that every soldier should have been arrested is an exaggeration.

Piratis
I did not say every soldier should have been punished,but i always believed there were civilian factors involved (EOKA-B) who got away.
Easy to point the finger on Greek generals but no one seems to want to lay any accusation or blame on EOKA-B for the coup..

Yes iceman, this is why I said that "Several others should have been arrested as well". I was referring to some high ranking members of EOKA B.

But you know what, today the TCs have no problem with those people. DISY that harbors most of them is the only party that voted "yes" in the referendum, and some EOKA B people like Pourgourides were among the biggest advocates of that plan. TCs love them!

On the other hand, most of those who died during the coup while defending democracy were members of EDEK and DIKO. These are the people who are now labeled by some Bananiots as "extremists", "nationalists" etc, because today they continue to insist on democracy, just like they did back then.

You are making a big mistake by assuming TC's love these criminals (who happen to be with DISY members nowadays) because not many ordinary TCs have info on GC political spectrum.
TC Yes voters have sympathy towards GC Yes voters only because of their choice in the refereandum...no more.

[Get Real!]

Piratis made a very good point here…

As a rule of thumb, those Greek Cypriots that were quick to jump to the dissolution of the RoC in 1974 by siding with the Greek junta, are the exact same ones (or their blood lines) who are quick to jump to the dissolution of the RoC today!

We are talking about the garbage of this country, every country has them… they are always the first to cause trouble and the first to run away when things are not in their favor!

[Nikitas]

"The point is the numbers that are used for propaganda to try to blur the edges of the coup Nikitas.....To make it seem that not much was going on and to cover up the reasons..."

Face up to your responsibilies like grown ups. You can see the names, places and dates, as well as the ages of tghe dead. There are old people in their 70s and 80 among the dead and the location and dates show they were in the north, far away from any action, after Augus 14 1974.

And you go on talking about inflated figure and bullshit. For heavens sakes! Cyprus is a small place, we know who is who. But you are still stuck on the thought that the Turkish army does not kill people.

[Nikitas]

"Its all Greek to us, how do we know those names are not just made up?"

For the same reason we know your dead and missing are truly victims and really missing. Grow the fuck up you lot!

And if that is not enough look up the statements of Ecevit: "If the Greeks had accepted our proposal we would not have had to carry out Attila II and kill another 4500 people". Is that enough for you VP?