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[BirKibrisli]

So,looking at the past we see nothing which will help us today regarding our Cypriot identity...Is that what Kizilyurek is saying??? We are neither "two separate people" nor one "single people"...hmmmmmm....

According to Kizilyurek :"A people is a community that dwells within the same state, is connected by ties of citizenship to that state, has a legislative capacity and consists of participating citizens who share a common public space." But there was a time, during 1960-1963,when we were one people, fulfilling all the above criteria...We were just too stupid to appreciate what we had...WE tore one people up and created two "half" peoples...And we are still stupid enough not to realise that unless we turn the clock back,and return to the 1960 Constitution and the Republic which made us one people,one nation of Cypriots,we are condemned to Partition...

Don't lose hope my dear friend , here in the UK I talk to T/Cs and G/Cs mostly daily and all express the same sentiments as you and I and many more not forgetting our friend Deniz and so many more. We are one people , divided at the moment , but the division will not last .
Your Cyprus is also mine and mine is also yours together as Cypriots first we shall overcome .

From your mouth to....divine ears,dear Compatriot....

[Tim Drayton]

So,looking at the past we see nothing which will help us today regarding our Cypriot identity...Is that what Kizilyurek is saying??? We are neither "two separate people" nor one "single people"...hmmmmmm....

According to Kizilyurek :"A people is a community that dwells within the same state, is connected by ties of citizenship to that state, has a legislative capacity and consists of participating citizens who share a common public space." But there was a time, during 1960-1963,when we were one people, fulfilling all the above criteria...We were just too stupid to appreciate what we had...WE tore one people up and created two "half" peoples...And we are still stupid enough not to realise that unless we turn the clock back,and return to the 1960 Constitution and the Republic which made us one people,one nation of Cypriots,we are condemned to Partition...

Congratulations, you have picked a hole in his arguments using his own words.

I still think the spirit of Kizilyurek's argument is that the 1960 constitution perhaps drove a wedge between the two peoples and prevented them from becoming one nation, or perhaps simply recognised the reality on the ground.

[BirKibrisli]

So,looking at the past we see nothing which will help us today regarding our Cypriot identity...Is that what Kizilyurek is saying??? We are neither "two separate people" nor one "single people"...hmmmmmm....

According to Kizilyurek :"A people is a community that dwells within the same state, is connected by ties of citizenship to that state, has a legislative capacity and consists of participating citizens who share a common public space." But there was a time, during 1960-1963,when we were one people, fulfilling all the above criteria...We were just too stupid to appreciate what we had...WE tore one people up and created two "half" peoples...And we are still stupid enough not to realise that unless we turn the clock back,and return to the 1960 Constitution and the Republic which made us one people,one nation of Cypriots,we are condemned to Partition...

Congratulations, you have picked a hole in his arguments using his own words.

I still think the spirit of Kizilyurek's argument is that the 1960 constitution perhaps drove a wedge between the two peoples and prevented them from becoming one nation, or perhaps simply recognised the reality on the ground.

I think he simply recognised the reality,Tim...
Because according to Kizilyurek there were no two peoples to drive a wedge between!!!

[denizaksulu]

So,looking at the past we see nothing which will help us today regarding our Cypriot identity...Is that what Kizilyurek is saying??? We are neither "two separate people" nor one "single people"...hmmmmmm....

According to Kizilyurek :"A people is a community that dwells within the same state, is connected by ties of citizenship to that state, has a legislative capacity and consists of participating citizens who share a common public space." But there was a time, during 1960-1963,when we were one people, fulfilling all the above criteria...We were just too stupid to appreciate what we had...WE tore one people up and created two "half" peoples...And we are still stupid enough not to realise that unless we turn the clock back,and return to the 1960 Constitution and the Republic which made us one people,one nation of Cypriots,we are condemned to Partition...

Don't lose hope my dear friend , here in the UK I talk to T/Cs and G/Cs mostly daily and all express the same sentiments as you and I and many more not forgetting our friend Deniz and so many more. We are one people , divided at the moment , but the division will not last .
Your Cyprus is also mine and mine is also yours together as Cypriots first we shall overcome .

Milti my friend.... on that note, get the coffee ready for tomorrow afternoon.

[miltiades]

So,looking at the past we see nothing which will help us today regarding our Cypriot identity...Is that what Kizilyurek is saying??? We are neither "two separate people" nor one "single people"...hmmmmmm....

According to Kizilyurek :"A people is a community that dwells within the same state, is connected by ties of citizenship to that state, has a legislative capacity and consists of participating citizens who share a common public space." But there was a time, during 1960-1963,when we were one people, fulfilling all the above criteria...We were just too stupid to appreciate what we had...WE tore one people up and created two "half" peoples...And we are still stupid enough not to realise that unless we turn the clock back,and return to the 1960 Constitution and the Republic which made us one people,one nation of Cypriots,we are condemned to Partition...

Don't lose hope my dear friend , here in the UK I talk to T/Cs and G/Cs mostly daily and all express the same sentiments as you and I and many more not forgetting our friend Deniz and so many more. We are one people , divided at the moment , but the division will not last .
Your Cyprus is also mine and mine is also yours together as Cypriots first we shall overcome .

Milti my friend.... on that note, get the coffee ready for tomorrow afternoon.

You are on Deniz , see you then !!

[Kikapu]

I still think the spirit of Kizilyurek's argument is that the 1960 constitution perhaps drove a wedge between the two peoples and prevented them from becoming one nation, or perhaps simply recognised the reality on the ground.

Tim,

The 1960 constitution was never designed to hold the people of Cyprus as one, even if "one people" did not exist, but rather make sure "two peoples" would emerge from it, if they too, did not already existed. It was impossible to expect anything else from such a document which played each community over the other, specially when a minority community had political power control over the majority. They were bound to eventually clash together with predicted outcomes, which is what we have today. Those who put the 1960 constitution together saw Cyprus's future way before they signed the constitution unbeknownst to the people themselves. But their foresight into the future only brought them half a result today with the 1960 constitution. Annan plan would have completed the final chapter once and for all to have two peoples on the island permanently. Some are still at it to keep that chapter for the prospect of two peoples open, and unless both communities take action now to make it "one people" in Cyprus, a cruel twists of faith will play a trick on one of the communities pretty soon and make them disappear, then there will be only one people left on the island, the GC's, and the rest will be non indigenous or just plain "Ausländer".!

[Viewpoint]

I still think the spirit of Kizilyurek's argument is that the 1960 constitution perhaps drove a wedge between the two peoples and prevented them from becoming one nation, or perhaps simply recognised the reality on the ground.

Tim,

The 1960 constitution was never designed to hold the people of Cyprus as one, even if "one people" did not exist, but rather make sure "two peoples" would emerge from it, if they too, did not already existed. It was impossible to expect anything else from such a document which played each community over the other, specially when a minority community had political power control over the majority. They were bound to eventually clash together with predicted outcomes, which is what we have today. Those who put the 1960 constitution together saw Cyprus's future way before they signed the constitution unbeknownst to the people themselves. But their foresight into the future only brought them half a result today with the 1960 constitution. Annan plan would have completed the final chapter once and for all to have two peoples on the island permanently. Some are still at it to keep that chapter for the prospect of two peoples open, and unless both communities take action now to make it "one people" in Cyprus, a cruel twists of faith will play a trick on one of the communities pretty soon and make them disappear, then there will be only one people left on the island, the GC's, and the rest will be non indigenous or just plain "Ausländer".!

What will they be in 500 years time?

[repulsewarrior]

“Niyazi Kizilyurek departed that structure… and is trying to create a new example in which he will gain votes from both Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots in a way which has never before been seen in history,”, says Tatar.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2024/02/28/turk ... -in-north/

...is he representing AKEL again; it would have been nice if DISY was also campaigning in the occupied territories to make a point, Cypriots live right across the whole island despite having to suffer the dysfunction of those "Greek" and "Turkish" who have made, and who make, every effort to keep 'us' apart.