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Militiades

You know as well as I do that the Israeli victims of suicide bombers have been counted in the dozens not the hundreds. I do not defend suicide bombers but it does not strengthen your 'defence' of Israel and does nothing for your comments on Jews to exaggerate the extent of suicide bombing. Sure the political psychological effect of suicide bombers is significant, far above its physical extent.

[Oracle]

... they must strike first at those who want to destroy them , self defence is fundamental in the struggle to survive.
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I wonder if that policy could apply anywhere else (not a million miles from home)

[miltiades]

... they must strike first at those who want to destroy them , self defence is fundamental in the struggle to survive.
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I wonder if that policy could apply anywhere else (not a million miles from home)

Self DEFENCE is fundamentally equally applicable universally .

[miltiades]

Militiades

You know as well as I do that the Israeli victims of suicide bombers have been counted in the dozens not the hundreds. I do not defend suicide bombers but it does not strengthen your 'defence' of Israel and does nothing for your comments on Jews to exaggerate the extent of suicide bombing. Sure the political psychological effect of suicide bombers is significant, far above its physical extent.

Would you honestly suggest that if the enemies of Israel , ie Hamas , Hezbollah , some on this forum etc , would for a second hesitate in launching an attack of the magnitude of the Hiroshima atomic bomb if the could?
Do you think that the 100s of suicide attacks against innocent citizens of the state of Israel were prepared and executed to cause "minimum" death and destruction ?
No Sir , if Hamas and the rest , some on this forum included , had the power they would massacre every single living being in Israel , make no mistake , we are talking about dangerous and somewhat deranged ideologists , not freedom fighters but martyrdom seekers.
The killing just has to stop ,the hatred put aside and the search for peace intensified .

[Oracle]

... they must strike first at those who want to destroy them , self defence is fundamental in the struggle to survive.
....

I wonder if that policy could apply anywhere else (not a million miles from home)

Self DEFENCE is funamenatlly equaly applicable universaly .

So how should Cyprus defend itself against the loss of nearly 40% of its territory and the present displacement of 200,000 of its people?

[miltiades]

... they must strike first at those who want to destroy them , self defence is fundamental in the struggle to survive.
....

I wonder if that policy could apply anywhere else (not a million miles from home)

Self DEFENCE is fundamentally equally applicable universally .

So how should Cyprus defend itself against the loss of nearly 40% of its territory and the present displacement of 200,000 of its people?

You know bloody well the difference between being attacked and defending , and having a part of your nation under occupation , dont play clever with me . What do you want to say that we should declare war and attack Turkey .!!
The proper defence should have taken place way back in 1974 when the chickens went home to roost , when the Greek military were searching for their balls only they could not locate them , when the extremists overthrew the legally elected President of the republic when your fellow demagogues were spewing sentiments such as yours , that's when defence was required , you and your buddies want to fight Turkey then become suicide bombers get your arse out in Turkey and your stunt , I will stay and support the efforts of the legally elected Cypriot politicians to negotiate and do the best for MY nation. I will continue building bridges of trust , I will fight to the end if under attack , I'm not under attack at this moment.

[miltiades]

Amnesty denounces Palestinian suicide bombings as 'crimes against humanity'

By Justin Huggler in Jerusalem


Friday, 12 July 2002


Amnesty International has condemned the killing of Israeli civilians in suicide bombings and other attacks by Palestinians as crimes against humanity.

As the human rights organisation issued its report yesterday, the Israeli Justice Ministry said it intends to put on trial Marwan Barghouti, a senior figure in Yasser Arafat's Fatah organisation, who was captured in April. During the trial Israel is expected to attempt to prove its accusation that the Palestinian Authority is behind many of the attacks.

Amnesty's report is damning of the Israeli army, which it also accuses of crimes against humanity. But this is the first time the organisation has focused on Palestinian atrocities against Israelis. The Israeli authorities have often accused Western human rights groups of not paying enough attention to human rights violations committed against Israelis.

The Amnesty report was issued after 58 Palestinian intellectuals and public figures, including the peace negotiator Hanan Ashrawi, signed an unprecedented statement last month calling on militants to stop the suicide bombings.

More than 350 Israeli civilians have been killed in attacks by Palestinians since the beginning of the current intifada, the report says. "The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians," the report said. "They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes."

The report details, among others, the cases of Sinai Keinan, an 18-month-old baby, and Ruth Peled, her 56-year-old grandmother, who were both killed in a suicide bombing at a café in Petah Tikva in May; Danielle Shefi, a five-year-old girl who was shot dead by Palestinian gunmen as she hid under her bed in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank in April; and Chanah Rogan, a 90-year-old woman who was one of the 27 people killed in a suicide bombing at a Passover celebration in Netanya in March.

The report also accuses the Israeli army of violations including unlawful killings, torture and collective punishment. But, it says: "No violations by the Israeli government, no matter their scale or gravity, justify the killing of Sinai Keinan, Danielle Shefi, Chanah Rogan or any other civilians."

The Justice Ministry said Mr Barghouti will be put on trial alongside four other Palestinians accused of being militants. The trial, which will only be in connection with attacks carried out inside Israel, not the Occupied Territories, will be before a civilian court. Mr Barghouti's lawyer said his client did not recognise the court, and had begun a hunger strike to protest against the conditions under which he was being held.

Mr Barghouti crops up in Amnesty's report, which says he told the organisation's delegates that Fatah considers Israeli settlers living inside the West Bank and Gaza Strip – such as the dead five-year-old, Danielle Shefi – as legitimate targets, because they are living on occupied land.

The report rejects that argument, saying that although the settlements are in contravention of international law, those living on them are civilians and entitled to protection under the Geneva conventions.

This week Israeli authorities forcibly closed the Jerusalem offices of a leading Palestinian moderate who has spoken out against suicide bombings: Sari Nusseibeh, the President of al-Quds university. Even the White House said the closure of Mr Nussiebeh's offices at the university was "a troubling event". Israel said the office was used to advance Palestinian Authority interests in violation of interim peace deals.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 48051.html

[Oracle]

... they must strike first at those who want to destroy them , self defence is fundamental in the struggle to survive.
....

I wonder if that policy could apply anywhere else (not a million miles from home)

Self DEFENCE is fundamentally equally applicable universally .

So how should Cyprus defend itself against the loss of nearly 40% of its territory and the present displacement of 200,000 of its people?

You know bloody well the difference between being attacked and defending , and having a part of your nation under occupation , dont play clever with me . What do you want to say that we should declare war and attack Turkey .!!
The proper defence should have taken place way back in 1974 when the chickens went home to roost , when the Greek military were searching for their balls only they could not locate them , when the extremists overthrew the legally elected President of the republic when your fellow demagogues were spewing sentiments such as yours , that's when defence was required , you and your buddies want to fight Turkey then become suicide bombers get your arse out in Turkey and your stunt , I will stay and support the efforts of the legally elected Cypriot politicians to negotiate and do the best for MY nation. I will continue building bridges of trust , I will fight to the end if under attack , I'm not under attack at this moment.

I see! There's a time-limit to when you can defend yourself against slow annihilation.

If you didn't use your window of opportunity, you are resigned to being dead meat.

Tell me Miltiades, does your back hurt from constantly moving those goal posts?

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FAOmiltiades

The following list of massacres is by no means exclusive, but they reflect the nature of the Israeli occupation of Palestine and Lebanon and show that massacres and expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state which is 'goyim rein'.
The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres

Of course there is no Israeli holocaust at least not in your pro-american world is there? This list is just the start of hundreds of documented Israeli massacres.Why dont you throw away your blinkers and research things before you post instead of going in feet first

What is the next stage of your continuation on this thread oh I know I'll probably be called a plonker or suchlike

Lets have some links and I will then post some of the hundreds and hundreds of atrocities committed against innocent men women and children by suicide bombers who were brainwashed into beleiving that they were fighting for freedom.
Tell us where you got this long list of atrocities mate.
No I will not call you a Plonker suffice to say you are misguided miss informed and grotesque in your comparison of the Nazi holocaust and the Palestinian conflict.The fact that you are a Jew hater is without question , the fact that you are also hopelessly inaccurate with your " analogy " is beyond question.
Lets have the lnks mate !

How dare you call him a jew hater and anyone else on this forum who has an opinion that sides with the Palestinians!

The pictures speak for themselves...they live in an open air prison with no prospect of returning to their homes that were taken.

[Get Real!]

Lets have some links and I will then post some of the hundreds and hundreds of atrocities committed against innocent men women and children by suicide bombers who were brainwashed into beleiving that they were fighting for freedom.
Tell us where you got this long list of atrocities mate.
No I will not call you a Plonker suffice to say you are misguided miss informed and grotesque in your comparison of the Nazi holocaust and the Palestinian conflict.The fact that you are a Jew hater is without question , the fact that you are also hopelessly inaccurate with your " analogy " is beyond question.
Lets have the lnks mate !

You silly old fart, you’ll be lucky to point to the Middle East on a map let alone come up with any credible evidence that could possibly justify Israel’s repeated war crimes against her neighbors over the decades, so just shut your stupid trap and keep a low profile instead of wasting people’s time in a good thread.