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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:15 am



OK ... now I've looked at them, I see what you're driving at :wink: :lol: ..... They really have Zan's fingerprints all over them! :lol:

Apart from Wiki adverts for patents on designs, rather than innovations, the only "attribute" is the Coffee :lol: .... and even that is disputable since the Ottomans in fact banned coffee and made no real contribution other than partake of it like everyone else before them in the vicinity which they invaded.

But, even if you are playing sophisticated games, GR!; your contradictions let you down.

When your arguments against Hellenism were trashed ... you pretended you were just joking ... So, you effectively abandoned your position.

You also contradict yourself by condemning Greece for not coming to your aid, on the one hand, then stating that you want nothing to do with them on the other.

Make your mind up GR! .... your vacillations are backfiring on you :roll:

Either you want Greece's help or you don't! And you should move on and stop trying to get Greece's attention with this "reverse psychology" game.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:27 pm

Oracle wrote:When your arguments against Hellenism were trashed ... you pretended you were just joking ... So, you effectively abandoned your position.

Sure you did…

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 13138.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-20.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-40.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-60.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-80.html

Happy reading.

You also contradict yourself by condemning Greece for not coming to your aid, on the one hand, then stating that you want nothing to do with them on the other.

Make your mind up GR! .... your vacillations are backfiring on you :roll:

Those who claim that Cyprus is "Greek" must also be able to answer why Greece can't be stuffed about liberating her... that's the point which seemingly goes over your heads!
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:42 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:When your arguments against Hellenism were trashed ... you pretended you were just joking ... So, you effectively abandoned your position.

Sure you did…

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 13138.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-20.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-40.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-60.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-80.html

Happy reading.

You also contradict yourself by condemning Greece for not coming to your aid, on the one hand, then stating that you want nothing to do with them on the other.

Make your mind up GR! .... your vacillations are backfiring on you :roll:

Those who claim that Cyprus is "Greek" must also be able to answer why Greece can't be stuffed about liberating her... that's the point which seemingly goes over your heads!


Because Greece is too bloody busy intercepting around 3,500 F-16 and F-4 violations of the Athens FIR, and National Airspace each year.

Why the fuck would Greece want to fight our war and risk losing some Aegean Islands or West Thrace and what does this have to do with our Ethnic Identity?

Also, it is the Cypriot Government that has taken the "Good Boy" approach and thus compromising your Human Rights and Democratic Rights even further. What does that have to do with Greece?

If you want war, then tell your Government to start preparing by increasing Defence Spending and then up the ante by mobilizing the CNG, and who knows, Greece may send a few thousand troops, if NATO allows this.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:44 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:When your arguments against Hellenism were trashed ... you pretended you were just joking ... So, you effectively abandoned your position.

Sure you did…

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 13138.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-20.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-40.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-60.html

http://www.maknews.com/forum/macedonian ... 38-80.html

Happy reading.


Ok continue with your joke ....

Get Real! wrote:
You also contradict yourself by condemning Greece for not coming to your aid, on the one hand, then stating that you want nothing to do with them on the other.

Make your mind up GR! .... your vacillations are backfiring on you :roll:

Those who claim that Cyprus is "Greek" must also be able to answer why Greece can't be stuffed about liberating her... that's the point which seemingly goes over your heads!


Maybe you need to prove the premise that "Greece can't be stuffed about liberating her", before you embark on denying Cyprus' Hellenic credentials ... or the very existence of Hellenism itself!

You are the only one who believes "Greece can't be stuffed ..." and you have not managed to convince anyone else of this!

So far, all your meagre claims that "Greece can't be stuffed", have been countered with effective arguments as to how much Greece has tried to make amends, within the constraints of International law. Yet you seem unable to be rational .....
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:49 pm

Maybe we need a simple thread to weigh up precisely what Greece has managed to do for Cyprus over the last 35 years to help resolve the CyProb ... A list and analysis type of thing ....

Have we done one before?
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:53 pm

Oracle wrote:Maybe we need a simple thread to weigh up precisely what Greece has managed to do for Cyprus over the last 35 years to help resolve the CyProb ... A list and analysis type of thing ....

Have we done one before?


I think GR! also forgets the Noratlas flights into Nicosia which the CNG had managed to shoot down, the Greek Army Commando Unit that landed at Paphos from HN Lesbos and the ELDYK Division which gave the Turkish Army its biggest headache in 74.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:12 pm

Paphitis wrote:Why the fuck would Greece want to fight our war and risk losing some Aegean Islands or West Thrace and what does this have to do with our Ethnic Identity?

Right, so it's a "Greek" island that does not deserve Greek protection!

The citizens of this "Greek" island do not have the rights that other Greeks have... nice! :lol:

Hey Paphitis, why don't you go fuck yourself and bring us the income so we can buy some security then?
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:13 pm

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Postby insan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:18 pm

Two hundred years before a comparable development elsewhere, Turkish scientist Hazarfen Ahmet Celebi took off from Galata tower and flew over the Bosphorus. Logari Hasan Celebi, another member of the Celebi family, sent the first manned rocket, using 150 okka (about 300 pounds) of gunpowder as the firing fuel.

Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi
Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi (Turkish: Hezarfen Ahmet Çelebi), who lived in the 17th century in Istanbul in the Ottoman Empire, is one of the first aviators to have succeeded in flying with artificial wings. He is supposed to have been inspired by and used the studies of Leonardo da Vinci on the flight of birds. He started flying from the Galata Tower, a high tower in Istanbul, and managed to fly over the Bosporus. The few people known to have succeeded in this kind of flight are an aviator from Moorish Spain and an English monk in the 9th and 12th centuries, respectively. One of Hezarfen's friends Lagari Hasan Celebi is known to have performed the first flight with a rocket in a conical cage filled with gun powder. Ahmet Celebi, because of his vast scientific knowledge was given the name Hezarfen, meaning “a thousand sciences”. In his early studies of flying, he was motivated by the 10th century Turkish scientist Ismail Cevheri. Celebi, after carefully studying Cevheri’s findings and when he felt confident enough arranged a public demonstration. He climbed the Galata Tower and launched himself into the wind; he passed over the Bosporus and landed in the slopes of Üsküdar on the Anatolian side. This event created a great sensation. Sultan Murat IV was delighted and wanted to award Hezarfen but religious leaders and palace advisers soon changed his mind. Hezarfen was exiled to Algeria where he died soon at the age of 31. Being one of the three airports in Istanbul, Hezarfen Airfield is a good example of Turks fidelity to this hero.
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:21 pm

Ibn Sina (Avicenna) - doctor of doctors

Ibn Sina was born in 980 C.E. in the village of Afshana near Bukhara which today is located in the far south of Russia. His father, Abdullah, an adherent of the Ismaili sect, was from Balkh and his mother from a village near Bukhara.
In any age Ibn Sina, known in the West as Avicenna, would have been a giant among giants. He displayed exceptional intellectual prowess as a child and at the age of ten was already proficient in the Qur'an and the Arabic classics. During the next six years he devoted himself to Muslim Jurisprudence, Philosophy and Natural Science and studied Logic, Euclid, and the Almeagest.

He turned his attention to Medicine at the age of 17 years and found it, in his own words, "not difficult". However he was greatly troubled by metaphysical problems and in particular the works of Aristotle. By chance, he obtained a manual on this subject by the celebrated philosopher al-Farabi which solved his difficulties.

Al-Qifti states that Ibn Sina completed 21 major and 24 minor works on philosophy, medicine, theology, geometry, astronomy and the like. Another source (Brockelmann) attributes 99 books to Ibn Sina comprising 16 on medicine, 68 on theology and metaphysics 11 on astronomy and four on verse. Most of these were in Arabic; but in his native Persian he wrote a large manual on philosophical science entitled Danish-naama-i-Alai and a small treatise on the pulse.

Despite such glorious tributes to his work, Ibn Sina is rarely remembered in the West today and his fundamental contributions to Medicine and the European reawakening goes largely unrecognised. However, in the museum at Bukhara, there are displays showing many of his writings, surgical instruments from the period and paintings of patients undergoing treatment. An impressive monument to the life and works of the man who became known as the 'doctor of doctors' still stands outside Bukhara museum and his portrait hangs in the Hall of the Faculty of Medicine in the University of Paris

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