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[Viewpoint]

Khan firstly welcome to the forum..

To be honest since i have joined this forum i have realised the anti-Turkish sentiment that runs through many GC's. If GC's can start treating their TC's compatriots with some dignity and respect, and not try and subjugate them into giving concessions, then perhaps some progress will be made. As it is i am very pessimistic on the two communities ever reconciling.

Join the club I to came to the same conclusion very early on as your posts and counter posts develop you will quickly learn the way GC think, and these are supposedly the educated group god help us with the rest, the comments are at times degrading and belittilng, the 1960 mentality is alive and kicking TCs are view as thieves murders and rapists....and a minority that should shut up and accept majority rule in their own country.

[Piratis]

You are missing my point. I mean the illegal status is no longer an excuse to block trade and aid for TC's. TC's showed they were entirely ready to dissolve the TRNC (and therefore their illegal status) in favour of unifying.

Not in favor of unifying. In favor of the Annan plan which was a disguised partition. Since GCs rejected this partition plan, it is now null and void.

So the Annan partition plan is now null and void, but the UN resolutions that demand the respect of the sovereignty of RoC and that "TRNC" is illegal etc, are all there.

The same way "TRNC" was illegal 2,3 or 10 years ago, the same it is today. Nothing changed.

According to people on here, TC's should lose their sovereignty

TCs have no sovereignty. They do not own exclusively any part of the island. What they have is 40.000 illegal Turkish troops that at ready to shoot and kill any GC that tries to return to his own home.

To be honest since i have joined this forum i have realised the anti-Turkish sentiment that runs through many GC's. If GC's can start treating their TC's compatriots with some dignity and respect, and not try and subjugate them into giving concessions, then perhaps some progress will be made. As it is i am very pessimistic on the two communities ever reconciling.

And you treat GCs with dignity and respect when you arrest them, or kill them when they try to return to their own home that you stole from them? Oh please!

We do not ask from TCs to give to us anything other than what belongs to us. On the other hand, TCs with the threat of the Turkish tanks want from us to surrender to them our land and our 100% legal and human rights.

[Viewpoint]

Total Bullshit

Have you come to terms with the fact that we all messed up and find ourselves in the situation we are in...?

Now its time to..

Compromise,

do you know and understand the above word, look it up and try and understand what it means in relation to the Cyprus issue.

[Khan]

Piratis, of course the annan plan was going to have elements of partition, it was after all a bizonal, bicommunity model, of two federated states. With the GC rejection of the plan, the legal rulings against TRNC still exist, but there is one important difference. The existence of the status quo on the island can no longer be blamed on the TC's, but is now the result of GC stuborness.

This means those legal rulings have to be looked in a new light, as the European Parliamentary Assembly declared:

"The Turkish Cypriots' international isolation must cease.

The Assembly therefore welcomes the support expressed by several European political leaders for financial assistance for the Turkish Cypriots and an easing of the international sanctions against them. The United Nations should also consider whether the resolutions on which the sanctions are based are still justified.

The Assembly considers it unfair for the Turkish Cypriot community, which has expressed clear support for a reunited and European Cyprus, to continue to be denied representation in the European political debate. Such continued isolation may help strengthen the positions of those who are opposing a unified Cyprus. "

Going back to the point of this thread, TC should not have to bargain one bit because of a situation GC's have forced on them.

[Piratis]

Now its time to..

Compromise

Do you compromise any of your legal rights? You want us to compromise our legal and human rights and in return you only want to "compromise" part of your illegal demands and absolutely nothing more.

When you are ready for some real compromises, which means getting something less than the 1960 agreements in return for anything more that you get, then come back to talk about compromises.

Going back to the point of this thread, TC should not have to bargain one bit because of a situation GC's have forced on them.

We forced the situation on you?? Maybe you forget the barbarian hordes that illegally invaded our island, ethnically cleansing part of it from the people that existed there for 3500 years?

We should not bargain one bit either. We want the 100% of our rights that you took away from us by force. No part of Cyprus belongs exclusively to you, and we are not going to surrender our homeland to anybody. You have no right for one bit more than what was agreed in 1960.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis my friend you have a few issues you should really try to conquer.

Firstly do you agree that both communities pre 1974 really messed up and caused the current situation we are in?

Once you get passed this issue then you have too understand that we have been constantly trying to negotiate whats fair and right but due to the stubborness and maximilistic demands of both sides we have been unable to agree on a solution that would make both sides happy.
The latest episode being the referendum when for the first time the people we asked to voice their opinion, the TCs came out in force and staged the biggest meeting in the world according to population and voted in favour of unification. The GCs were not happy with the plan which was dont forget the product of negotiations between our leaders and final UN input, as we all know you voted no.

Now we have a new situation and the GCs for the first time have to wear the bad guy hat, their no to the Annan plan and constant chantings of human rights and international law to every problem that is raised, will intime wear thin as EU and the rest of the world address how to deal with the North of the Island, if the GCs do not take the initiative, the constant blocking of direct trade and barrage of court cases only proves to the world your intense agression and hostage tactics towards the north. Do you guys ever step back and evaluate the arguement you put forward about economical development in the north, that if we advance to your levels we will no longer desire a solution, we TCs and foreigners I talk to laugh at this arguement so they want to keep you economically weak/hostage thus provide leverage and weight when trying to find a solution. Wake up the idea behind the whole EU is compromise and sharing, if the GC administration wanted to resolve certain issues such as development on GC land, they would be talking to our leaders directly on how alternative avenues could be found to improve the north economcally that would respect GC land, but you continue to accuse us of being thieves rapists and murders, do you think that will improve what are already a very sensative issues between our communites.

Believe me the majority of TCs have no problem with handing back GC property or living next door to a GC once a comprehensive solution is reached. But wounds take time for both communities to heal, we need to experience that we can live together in peace and that neither side has a hidden agenda in trying to grab the upper hand, so we need transition periods where we can understand and get over our fears of the other side, starting to trust each other and build cooperation.

Dont forget pre 2003 before the borders were opened we TCs all had 2 heads and lived in poverty with no shoes on our feet. We were ready to cut your heads off and rape your women... what did you find people that were very similar to yourselves and greeted you with open arms even after our troublsome past....

The stalemate will continue until our leaders meet and talk with goodwill and a genuine desire for a solution whatever that might be... so we should all apply pressure on our leaders to go back to the negotiating table.

[Khan]

We forced the situation on you?? Maybe you forget the barbarian hordes that illegally invaded our island, ethnically cleansing part of it from the people that existed there for 3500 years?

Piratis, if you knew anything about histroy, you'd know that the 'barbarian hordes' liberated the Greek Cypriots from Venetian rule. The island was neglected by the Venetians and its Greek Orthodox peasants population was oppresed and ensalved by the Frankish ruling class. There were some 50,000 Greek serfs who were ready to help the Ottomans, but to deter an uprising, the Venetians massacred 400 Greeks.

If you knew about history, you'd know the Greeks helped the Ottomans with food supplies and information. When Ottomans did take over the island, they restored the full priviliges of the Orthodox Church at the expense of the Latin Catholic Church, they abolished serfdom, and gave the Greek Cypriots autonomy under the millet system to do as they pleased.

This stuff is all history Piratis, from your above statement, i cannot really take anything you say serious anymore as you've shown great ignorance.

[gabaston]

khan

if youre trying to tell some gc's on this forum that turks ever did anything other than oppress, torture, rape, burndown, loot, pillage, plunder or murder, you are wasting your time. they have extremely selective history books.

[Main_Source]

Piratis, if you knew anything about histroy, you'd know that the 'barbarian hordes' liberated the Greek Cypriots from Venetian rule. The island was neglected by the Venetians and its Greek Orthodox peasants population was oppresed and ensalved by the Frankish ruling class

lol total crap. Ask a Jamaican if he thinks the British liberated THEM from the Spanish....same exact argument.

[gladius]

Now its time to..

Compromise

Do you compromise any of your legal rights? You want us to compromise our legal and human rights and in return you only want to "compromise" part of your illegal demands and absolutely nothing more.

When you are ready for some real compromises, which means getting something less than the 1960 agreements in return for anything more that you get, then come back to talk about compromises.

Going back to the point of this thread, TC should not have to bargain one bit because of a situation GC's have forced on them.

We forced the situation on you?? Maybe you forget the barbarian hordes that illegally invaded our island, ethnically cleansing part of it from the people that existed there for 3500 years?

We should not bargain one bit either. We want the 100% of our rights that you took away from us by force. No part of Cyprus belongs exclusively to you, and we are not going to surrender our homeland to anybody. You have no right for one bit more than what was agreed in 1960.

Somebody is learning quick, somebody slow!
I think you are belonging to the second group!
To help you a little bit:
Which right you are claiming?
You and your similar brethren have created unrest and a war in Cyprus, you lost this war together with 1/3 of the island. You were running away leaving your property behind.
Now you would like to turn the history?
Never my friend.
That's over!
Your stubborness killed last year your last chance with the A-plan. That's over now as well.
So let us know what you are talking about and no more daydreams please!