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A revised Plan: What would you vote?

Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

If this plan was put to referendum tomorrow, what would you vote?

I am a GC and I would vote Yes
6
29%
I am a GC and I would vote No
6
29%
I am a TC and I would vote Yes
1
5%
I am a TC and I would vote No
8
38%
 
Total votes : 21

Postby Dhavlos » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:55 am

AchillesRevenge1974

If your gonna make comments, make them constructive and NOT derogitary/horrible/offensive to others.

We dont want you in the forum if your gonna be like that.

Liza wrote:
And then you ask why people dont want unification, its posts like this that make me scared to put GC's and TC's together !

Why does everyone not see that the blame can't be put completely on one side? There were too many factors involved that made the come about of 1974.
Anyway in the fear that someone will start shouting at me too I'm outta here.


What you said is true, one side is not wholly to blame
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Postby gabaston » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:25 pm

AchillesRevenge1974 (the minister for propaganda) has spoken

Please refrain from one line posts.
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Postby gladius » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:04 pm

Bananiot wrote:None, Gladius, absolutely none but the same could be said about the turkish speaking Cretans. This is nothing, however, to feel proud about. Lasting peace is our only hope otherwise every time when one side feels strong and powerful the blood circle will start again. Today's losers may be tomorrow's winners and revenge is served cold.

We need a fair and just solution based on the principles we have agreed upon, that is, bicommunal, bizonal federation that will unite Cyprus within the EE. This will provide decades of uninterrupted development, long enough for old resentment feelings to die away. The generations that will follow will not be poisoned like our luckless generation and this will put pay to the sick aspirations of the nationalists of both communities.

What are your views on the bove Gladius?


Bananiot, first of all let me express some basic convictions of mine:
Since the aftermath of 1974 everybody in Cyprus, north and south of the Green Line was living in peace and security. GC's and TC's were separated and no more friction between them was existing. The simple citizen of both peoples was able to live in security and make his earnings.
That's on my opinion the goal every administration must be looking for!
Now, after this relatively long period of peace some outside powers are trying to mix up the two peoples again.
Why?
Just to have a reason and to intervene if communal troubles are arising again?
I do agree, that there have been loosers on both sides prior, during and after the fighting 1974 but that's over. And there must be no more again!
The solution found in 1974 has given the chance to establish two states side by side and since both peoples can relay on their mainlands no one will be able to subjugate the other one.
That's all. And let the braggarts drum up their voices how much they like, they can't change the situation.

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Postby city » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:31 pm

Hey Liza, he is not even worth the effort of typing your answer, in my opinion!

Apart from that in your post you expressed exactly what I'm thinking many many times when reading through the political section of this forum.... Sometimes I'm really afraid what would happen when some of those people here would meet in reality.
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Postby gladius » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:37 pm

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Postby Liza » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:52 pm

Hey Liza, he is not even worth the effort of typing your answer, in my opinion!

Apart from that in your post you expressed exactly what I'm thinking many many times when reading through the political section of this forum.... Sometimes I'm really afraid what would happen when some of those people here would meet in reality.


Thanks City Mou I'm glad you share the same views, its good for another woman to give some input on these serious threads. :)
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Postby city » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:55 pm

Hi Liza mou, usually I don't, even though I'm reading these section most of the times...
But since I saw you "attacked" I thought I have to say my opinion to support you!
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Postby Liza » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:17 pm

City mou thanks for the support - its very welcome wherever I am on the forum :D

Brother dear my sentiments exactly!
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:50 pm

Thanks for finding time to answer my question Gladius. You do understand however that your view that the two communities should for ever live side by side was the policy of Denktash for 30 years after 1974. This policy does not seem to hold any more though, since after Ertogan became the Prime Minister in Turkey and Ecevit and the old order were shown the exit door, the policy of Turkey has changed a lot, mainly because of the EU aspirations of Turkey. Ertogan recognised that there is a problem to be solved in Cyprus and the TC people in their vast majority stood up and were counted bringing Denktash eventually down.

You, Gladius, are an advocate of the two independent states theory which is a theory that has many advocates in the GC community too, albeit, no one dares to say it openly yet. I think the majority of the Cypriots, given a chance to decide on merit, will reject outright the splitting of our country. Cyprus does not deserve to be partitioned; it is far too small to be broken into smaller fragments. You will lose and we will lose if it came to partition. At least if we could agree on this we may be able to ride this difficult hour when at the helm of the GC community there is another Denktash, in my opinion, so that we could eventually, sooner rather than later, unite Cyprus under the framework of a Bizonal. Bicommunal Federation. Are you at all open to this suggestion Gladius or have you made up your mind irrevocably?

Lisa, you have my sympathy too but the best way to deal with such people is to ignore them altogether. Simply pay no attention; this is their worse punishment because they thrive on attention.
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Postby AchillesRevenge1974 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:19 pm

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