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Postby Bananiot » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:01 pm

Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, Armenian Cypriots and Latin Cypriots are indigenous Cypriots! If GR and Epiktitos think that only Greek Cypriots are indigenous, they are making a huge mistake which is driven by their wishful thinking. GR, especially, is one sorry bugger. He asks:

Ottoman remnants are indigenous to Cyprus? Whatever next…


I can hear some of you asking:

Greek remnants are indigenous to Cyprus?

What a confused individual.

I am translating the word "indigenous" as "γηγενής" in Greek. I do not know of another meaning to this word, but if it is the Greek word quoted, only ignorant people can doubt that people who have lived in this place for some 400 hundred or more years are not indigenous.

Of course, for all sick nationalists it is quite convenient to consider them strangers, foreigners etc, for we can do whatever we like to them if the need arose.

Bloody hell!
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:07 pm

If you do not accept that the Turkish Cypriots inhabiting the island prior to 1960 are indigenous then, logically, you also have to reject the London and Zurich agreements. Where does that leave you?
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:12 pm

"They were imposed on us" Tim, they "twisted our arm in order to obtain our signature". We had a better alternative, throw them into the sea to swim back from where they came, after we gave GB a good thrashing.
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:39 pm

Bananiot wrote:I can hear some of you asking:

Greek remnants are indigenous to Cyprus?

What a confused individual.

That's based on your silly assumption that I'm Greek!


I am translating the word "indigenous" as "γηγενής" in Greek. I do not know of another meaning to this word, but if it is the Greek word quoted, only ignorant people can doubt that people who have lived in this place for some 400 hundred or more years are not indigenous.

Of course, for all sick nationalists it is quite convenient to consider them strangers, foreigners etc, for we can do whatever we like to them if the need arose.

Bloody hell!

The indigenous people are the FIRST people to make contact with the land, not the ones who invaded 10,000 years later! Indigenousness is EXCLUSIVE to those FIRST people.

Are white Australians indigenous Australians because they’ve been there since 1788?

Are white Americans indigenous Americans because they’ve been there since Colombus?
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:43 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:If you do not accept that the Turkish Cypriots inhabiting the island prior to 1960 are indigenous then, logically, you also have to reject the London and Zurich agreements. Where does that leave you?

What do the 59 agreements have to do with indigenousness? :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:58 pm

Bananiot wrote:Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots, Armenian Cypriots and Latin Cypriots are indigenous Cypriots! If GR and Epiktitos think that only Greek Cypriots are indigenous, they are making a huge mistake which is driven by their wishful thinking. GR, especially, is one sorry bugger. He asks:

Ottoman remnants are indigenous to Cyprus? Whatever next…


I can hear some of you asking:

Greek remnants are indigenous to Cyprus?

What a confused individual.

I am translating the word "indigenous" as "γηγενής" in Greek. I do not know of another meaning to this word, but if it is the Greek word quoted, only ignorant people can doubt that people who have lived in this place for some 400 hundred or more years are not indigenous.

Of course, for all sick nationalists it is quite convenient to consider them strangers, foreigners etc, for we can do whatever we like to them if the need arose.

Bloody hell!


I think you are missing the point about using a word such as "indigenous".

Here, as in Biology, it is a relative term. If specimens exist with historically longer ties to a place, then they are termed 'indigenous' whilst the others are termed foreign (or introduced). It's not uncommon to refer to trees or squirrels etc as non-native/foreign even if they were introduced into an area centuries ago.

In terms of Man's business, politics, the label indigenous for people, or followers, of a cultural type which has been recorded for thousands of years, is wholly appropriate relative to applying it to 'newcomers' which do not follow this cultural norm (of thousands of years).

Of course, being Human, they had the choice to integrate/assimilate and become indistinguishable from the longer serving cultural norms (GCs). However, they chose not to do this, preferring to forcefully make the long-term indigenous peoples extinct from one long-term held area.
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Postby RichardB » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:04 pm

Indigenous peoples are any ethnic group who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest known historical connection.

I dont recall GR ever claiming to be Greek

''au contraire Rodney'' as far as I am aware he has always claimed to be Cypriot or Chirokitian

ie A descendant of the original inhabitants of Cyprus
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:07 pm

RichardB wrote:Indigenous peoples are any ethnic group who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest known historical connection.

I dont recall GR ever claiming to be Greek

''au contraire Rodney'' as far as I am aware he has always claimed to be Cypriot or Chirokitian

ie A descendant of the original inhabitants of Cyprus

Thank you Sir Richard! 8)
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:15 am

The issue has nothing to do with what GR claims to be. If the Eteocypriots are the indigenous people of Cyprus (according to Wicki encyclopaedia) then we are all outsiders, simply some came earlier than others. If GR wants us to believe that he is an Eteocypriot he will have to prove it, show us a creditable link, lets say. A list of common characteristics would suffice for the time being.

Someone once claimed that the only indigenous creatures in Cyprus are the Cyprus donkeys. He had more sense than most contributors on this topic. And, by the way, this person was not Denktash, as some claim.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:20 am

Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:If you do not accept that the Turkish Cypriots inhabiting the island prior to 1960 are indigenous then, logically, you also have to reject the London and Zurich agreements. Where does that leave you?

What do the 59 agreements have to do with indigenousness? :lol:


Nothing. On the other hand, the political argument that you are trying to make based on this spurious notion strikes at the very heart of these agreements. You are actually pulling the rug from under your own feet.
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