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[Get Real!]

Ok, so the Black sheep of Europe painted itself white for a while and fooled Europe that it was a “developed” nation now in control of itself until the paint started chipping off…

I mean seriously, when did Greece ever balance her books and they’re all pretending to have been caught by surprise!

[Paphitis]

Spot on Kiks, but not just in Greece. You wait until after the UK elections - the shit will really hit the fan. Brits, in particular the young have been given too much easy credit. We belong to the "must have" society. The UK manufacturing industry produces about 10% of our wealth, so instead of making the things we consume we import them. We have one the most highly developed retail industies in the world so we are persuaded to buy imported consumer goods that we don't really need on credit that we can't really afford. The Brits have even, lemming like, bought holiday homes abroad on tick because they have "equity" in their UK homes. The UK economy has been fraudulently propped up for the last year pending tomorrows election. Converting the building societies into banks that kept much lower reserves and the subsequent "gambling" with toxic debt was the trigger but the fundamental weakness in the UK economy would has been exposed sooner or later - too many shops not enough industry.

Jerry, Paphitis and Georgios,

It's Greece today, just because they couldn't hide the problem any longer. They are lucky to be in the EURO to bail them out. Who is going to bail out other EU members who are not in the EURO. The IMF, I guess, with much higher interest rate and more conditions. Greek people are going to pay the price no matter whos fault it was, because all Greek people were in on the take in one form or another when the times were good. Same world over, specially in Democratic countries. Everyone is happy when the country is doing well, so, everyone will also need to pay the price when the country is not doing so well. I wish all these problems came much sooner when we all knew that the housing bubble was getting bigger and bigger, at least 5 years before it burst. The pain would have been far less had it been 5 years earlier than when it actually did. But not as bad as what it could have been had the housing bubble burst 5 years from now. I really hate to think what would have happened. So, I'm not just pointing out just the problems in Greece, but the overall problem around the world and as Jerry pointed out, "Great" Britain is on the financial ropes as we speak. One good right hook and a left undercut, and the good ol' Union Jack will be knocked to the ground.!

I have always believed that this was always the situation in Greece and that its the whole country was never viable. For me it was just a matter of time before something like this happens.

The people are at fault, including those very public servants that were demonstrating. Their positions were created through nepotism, and in reality, the Greek Public Sector could be half the size of what it actually is. There are many more issues other than this as well.

So all in all, I am of the view that it serves them right. The people have nothing to complain about, and now, they need to make massive sacrifices to pay for the many years of their very selfish Anti Greek ways.

This crisis is the only chance Greece has!

[Nikitas]

The crisis is the only chance if there are leaders with large sized balls willing to push through the changes needed, like making the civil service functional and productive.

In my 35 years in this country I have learned the look of deep seated pleasure in the face of a civil servant as they pronounce those magic words: "den ginetai" it cannot be done. I have never been asked to bribe anyone and do not know anyone wha has ever bribed a civil servant. Corruption is overrated as a factor, it is way down the scale compared to incompetence and sheer shitheadedness on the part of the people hired to work for the government. IF this does not change then there is no way forward.

There are lots of press reports about Greek businessmen working via Cyprus registered companies. But not one single asshole mentions that you can register a Cyprus company in a week, or a day even if you opt for a shelf company. It takes three months to register a company in Greece if you are lucky and it costs a bundle. Now they have learned to parrot the word "offshore" for all foreign registered company, even those registered in other EU countries.

As for the trouble, that is the work of a cadre of no more than 300 people who come out during demonstrations and certain anniversaries, like the Polytechnic uprising on November 17. The fact that these same people are free to roam and burn at will says a lot about the effectiveness of the police, but then the police are parts of the broader civil service, effectiveness would be too much to ask.

[Get Real!]

To quell the violence, why hasn’t the new Greek government arrested the Karamanlis government and their associates?

What are they waiting for Christmas?

Is the public to blame for years of corruption and mismanagement of Greece’s finances?

[georgios100]

To quell the violence, why hasn’t the new Greek government arrested the Karamanlis government and their associates?

What are they waiting for Christmas?

Is the public to blame for years of corruption and mismanagement of Greece’s finances?

Last night, CTV national news (Canadian broadcaster) blamed solely the Greek government for the mess. Uncontrollable senseless Government spending was the exact words. Apparently, the citizens are not at fault since government regulations could have prevented the massive private & personal debt (credit cards, car loans, holiday loans etc).

The anchorman went on to say, the world stock markets were down due to the instability of Europe thanks to Greece's chaotic economical situation. Additionally, to my surprise, Canadian pensions would be affected since the associated funds are invested in the stock market as mutual funds.

[karma]

To quell the violence, why hasn’t the new Greek government arrested the Karamanlis government and their associates?

What are they waiting for Christmas?

Is the public to blame for years of corruption and mismanagement of Greece’s finances?

Bcoz the only person who shld be arrested is ANDREAS PAPANDREOU.. but he is dead !! ...wht Greece is facing today is the result of his fake ''popular socialist'' politics since 90ies..

Thts why George feels so guilty and responsible for his father's falsifications !!

[georgios100]

To quell the violence, why hasn’t the new Greek government arrested the Karamanlis government and their associates?

What are they waiting for Christmas?

Is the public to blame for years of corruption and mismanagement of Greece’s finances?

Bcoz the only person who shld be arrested is ANDREAS PAPANDREOU.. but he is dead !! ...wht Greece is facing today is the result of his fake ''popular socialist'' politics since 90ies..

Thts why George feels so guilty and responsible for his father's falsifications !!

All Greek politicians are to blame... Andreas Papandreou too, he spent much of the Greek budget on women... George never liked his new "mom"...

[karma]

To quell the violence, why hasn’t the new Greek government arrested the Karamanlis government and their associates?

What are they waiting for Christmas?

Is the public to blame for years of corruption and mismanagement of Greece’s finances?

Bcoz the only person who shld be arrested is ANDREAS PAPANDREOU.. but he is dead !! ...wht Greece is facing today is the result of his fake ''popular socialist'' politics since 90ies..

Thts why George feels so guilty and responsible for his father's falsifications !!

All Greek politicians are to blame... Andreas Papandreou too, he spent much of the Greek budget on women... George never liked his new "mom"...

yeah, το μ...σέρνει καράβια..but in our case it is the whole country

[BOF]

so thats Greece and Britains financial state discussed and disseminated.
So what about Cyprus? Of Course nothing like that could ever happen here could it..................................

[Get Real!]

To quell the violence, why hasn’t the new Greek government arrested the Karamanlis government and their associates?

What are they waiting for Christmas?

Is the public to blame for years of corruption and mismanagement of Greece’s finances?

Bcoz the only person who shld be arrested is ANDREAS PAPANDREOU.. but he is dead !! ...wht Greece is facing today is the result of his fake ''popular socialist'' politics since 90ies..

Thts why George feels so guilty and responsible for his father's falsifications !!

If the average citizen of Greece truly believes that a former president from 30 years ago is to blame for today’s woes but NOT the Karamanlis government who served the last two terms, then Greeks deserve the situation they’re in because they can only blame their stupidity!