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[bigOz]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

[YFred]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

Has Puffidobullaghi answered yet?

[denizaksulu]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

Has Puffidobullaghi answered yet?

TIME ZONE ALERT!!!

[YFred]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

Has Puffidobullaghi answered yet?

TIME ZONE ALERT!!!

Stop giving him excuses. He is just searching through the internet.

[wallace]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

He good have taken many actions to land the aircraft safely. Fuel selector not in the right position could be the cause for the aircraft to behave in that manner.

[Paphitis]

I just managed to read through some of the posts (my time is a little restricred) concerning my abilities - with amazament! I mean I was not even involved in the argument and all of a sudden Paphitis is challeng me or making silly comments like "I doubt bigOz will tach me anything of value in aviation"...

BigOz, you don't need to prove a thing to me.

Perhaps you are a Pilot. I am yet to be convinced only because you have not participated in some of the discussions Kikapu and I have had in the past.

I have no reason to doubt you. It is just that these are the first aviation posts I have seen from you.

Paphitis my dear fellow, if you are a pilot (and as far as I am concerned you probably do hold a licence of some kind), you should also know that you never stop learning about flying because it is all about experience and how often one had faced emetgency situations under real flight conditions.

Correct. I have been flying since 1992. I was only 18 years old.

I have had many trials and tribulations, faced many challenges and have never stopped learning to this day. Facing real emergency conditions under real conditions is quite rare. Lightning strike and cabin decompression is all I can boast. Emergencies such as Engine Fire, Engine Failure at V1 or just after TO, and Assymetric Flight are mainly done in simulators. We however, also practice Assymetric Take Offs under real flight conditions.

Flying through adverse weather such as skirting in and around some thunderstorms and microbursts is also very testing for us at low altitude.

One can fly 500 hours, spending a lot of it experiencing some form of unusual emergency situations and coping with them. Or one can work as an (unhealthy) airline pilot filling in 1000s of hours (like a fat bus driver) and forgetting much of the emergency procedures, because today's aircraft are pretty much self flying, safe machines. Isn't that why we have needless crashes every now and then?

I will have to disagree here.

A fat bus driver is line checked every 6 months, has a sim check every 6 months. They are well and truly put through extreme pressure and have to know every emergency procedure inside out. Engine Failures at V1, at VR, on the ILS Glide Slope, Emergency Gear Operation, Decompression, Engine Fire, Asymmetrics, Engine Flame Out, TGT overheat, Turbine overspeed, stalling, icing, loss of engine power, Yaw Damper failure etc etc.

Even when there is some form of mechanical failure, whether it was the Cyprus Airline crash in Greece or the THY crash in Holland, I knew exactly what had happened before it was even broadcast. More sadly - I know that both could haver been avoided by more alert pilots. There are many other examples of crashes over the years that can support what I am saying. So the claim that you know everything in aviation would be a little too rich would it not?

That's great BigOz. Kikapu and I also had a very in depth discussion about the THY crash in particular. We would have welcomed your input also.

Putting all that aside, I could not help notice the flying school in Larnaca during my recent trip to the airport. I am not in active flying at the moment, but do you think they would employ me as an instructor if I showed my credentials. It is something I would love to do part time - just to keep my licences validated and current.

That would depend on your experience. I would say you would be in with a chance if you have previous Flight Instructor experience.

Hey Paphitis! We may be going flying together sooner than others think, what do you say?

Sure why not. I would be more than happy.

We can hire a little C172/C182 and have some fun.

Do you live in Oz?

[Paphitis]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

He/she did not remove the Pitot Tube cover and didn't have any airspeed indication. His Rudder Trim was possibly not set in the neutral position and his airspeed was low enough to make the aircraft want to stall and enter an incipient spin.

Recovery is power up and nose down to increase airspeed and airflow over the left wing and apply right rudder.

He she probably didn't dip the tanks and so the aircraft may have been left wing heavy. This is just a minor factor!

[wallace]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

He/she did not remove the Pitot Tube cover and didn't have any airspeed indication. His Rudder Trim was possibly not set in the neutral position and his airspeed was low enough to make the aircraft want to stall and enter an incipient spin.

Recovery is power up and nose down to increase airspeed and airflow over the left wing and apply right rudder.

He she probably didn't dip the tanks and so the aircraft may have been left wing heavy. This is just a minor factor!

Pitot tube cover? I've never seen 1 before on a Piper or a Cessna. Not at the flight school I go to anyways.

[Paphitis]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

He/she did not remove the Pitot Tube cover and didn't have any airspeed indication. His Rudder Trim was possibly not set in the neutral position and his airspeed was low enough to make the aircraft want to stall and enter an incipient spin.

Recovery is power up and nose down to increase airspeed and airflow over the left wing and apply right rudder.

He she probably didn't dip the tanks and so the aircraft may have been left wing heavy. This is just a minor factor!

Pitot tube cover? I've never seen 1 before on a Piper or a Cessna. Not at the flight school I go to anyways.

The Pitot Tube should always be covered so that little insects and other obstructions don't enter the Pitot Tube thus altering the Static Pressure which will cause the Airspeed Indicator to give incorrect speed.

Another possibility is that the Pitot Tube was partially blocked and giving incorrect high airspeed readings, when in actual fact, the aircraft was close to stall.

[wallace]

OK a simple emergency question for all the would be pilots and pilots! I want to see who will come up with the answer first!

Although he completes the external checks and everything is fine, A student pilot is so excited that he takes off without carrying out his pre-flight checks. He is about to do some circuits that would involve touch and go's. As he turns downwind round a left circuit, he is having to fight the controls to keep the aircraft in straight flight. Aircraft keeps wanting to roll left. As he turns for the final approach, the aircraft's controls start getting stiffer and stiffer and he is physically having to exert excessive force on the controls to stop the aircraft from rolling left, and possibly stalling.

He just about manages to land the single angine aircraft safely using some the learned skills, only to find out what was the problem soon after.

a) what actions he took to land the aircraft safely and without stalling?
b) what could have caused the aircraft to behave in such a potentially fatal manner?

He/she did not remove the Pitot Tube cover and didn't have any airspeed indication. His Rudder Trim was possibly not set in the neutral position and his airspeed was low enough to make the aircraft want to stall and enter an incipient spin.

Recovery is power up and nose down to increase airspeed and airflow over the left wing and apply right rudder.

He she probably didn't dip the tanks and so the aircraft may have been left wing heavy. This is just a minor factor!

Pitot tube cover? I've never seen 1 before on a Piper or a Cessna. Not at the flight school I go to anyways.

The Pitot Tube should always be covered so that little insects and other obstructions don't enter the Pitot Tube thus altering the Static Pressure which will cause the Airspeed Indicator to give incorrect speed.

Another possibility is that the Pitot Tube was partially blocked and giving incorrect high airspeed readings, when in actual fact, the aircraft was close to stall.

i know what the pitot tube does. I'll better have a good chat with my flight instructor then. I do have to check the air inlets but never did I run into a pitot tube cover.