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Should Turkey Join the EU??

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

Should Turkey Join the EU??

Yes
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No
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50%
Unsure
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Total votes : 40

Postby magikthrill » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:09 pm

chomsky fan is under the impression that jesus said love your chrisitna brother and not just plain brother.

im guessing hes also ignorant on the fact that jesus was a revolutionary liberal not a closed minded biggot like himself.
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Postby Murtaza » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:47 pm

I have a copy of the Quran that has the Hadiths in the back, like a kind of Appendices.

who write book and hadith? how many page do you know muslim attacks christianity? Christian people attack islam with this type of stupid pages, half of them is just lie. (And this is realy rude) So who write it? what are the hadith?


Also, Murtaza, did you know you are not allowed to be friends with Greeks if you are a Muslim, because they are unbelievers?


Sure so can you tell me why our prophet sent his people to a christian king for protection? Isnt It a little comic? I can marry with a christian but I can be a friend of christian? When a friend becomed more near than to a wife?
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Postby ChomskyFan » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:14 am

magikthrill wrote:chomsky fan is under the impression that jesus said love your chrisitna brother and not just plain brother.

im guessing hes also ignorant on the fact that jesus was a revolutionary liberal not a closed minded biggot like himself.


Precisely the reason I am proud to be Greek Orthodox Christian is because of the peaceful message Jesus taught. I think Christianity will survive forever precisely because of this, because it is more compatible than modern society than Islam.
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Postby Nicko » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:30 am

Its all about History, things do not change, minds are the same, the barbaric nature is within the souls of men. Its a dangorous game!!
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Postby Natty » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:57 am

True Islam is a peacefull and spiritual religion....sorry I know it has nothing to do with the post, it just seems that there was a little dig at Islam, unintentional i'm sure....I love those men that spin on the spot...forgive my ignorence I don't actually know what thats called, I love it's spirituality.....(",)
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Postby elliniko_dj_nate » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:40 am

Turkey won't join the EU. Not in the next 10-15 years at least.
Look at the objectives of the EU, the one I am referring to is the objective of a common European mentality.
Turkey still has problems persecuting people that do not follow Islam, and persecuting people that are not Turkish (like Kurds.)
France will always be vocal about Turkey joining, and thank God they are, it helps negate England's bizarre attitude toward Turkey.

Many nations had to make hard sacrifices and push to get into the EU, Turkey hope to get in taking an arrogant stance. The mentality and culture of Turkey in 2006 is incompatible for the EU and is likely to be incompatible in the short to medium term.
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Postby elliniko_dj_nate » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:45 am

True Islam is a peacefull and spiritual religion


No it's not. Islam teaches it's laws are above and over-ride the laws of the land it lives in. Christianity teaches to respect and abide the laws of the land. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Islam is largely incompatible in Christian dominant society, albeit few people make it work.
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Postby cypezokyli » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:53 am

elliniko_dj_nate wrote:Turkey won't join the EU. Not in the next 10-15 years at least.
Look at the objectives of the EU, the one I am referring to is the objective of a common European mentality.
Turkey still has problems persecuting people that do not follow Islam, and persecuting people that are not Turkish (like Kurds.)
France will always be vocal about Turkey joining, and thank God they are, it helps negate England's bizarre attitude toward Turkey.

Many nations had to make hard sacrifices and push to get into the EU, Turkey hope to get in taking an arrogant stance. The mentality and culture of Turkey in 2006 is incompatible for the EU and is likely to be incompatible in the short to medium term.


one of the things the turks are proud of its their secular state. turkey doesnot persecute people that do not follow islam.

would you say the greeks have a "european mendality" ?
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Postby elliniko_dj_nate » Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:00 am

A bit about Turkey and it's attitude to Orthodox Greeks:

October 1994: The Turkish government used the ancient Greek-Orthodox Church of Haghia Eirene in Istanbul as a stage of a beauty contest. This sacrilege insulted millions of Orthodox Christians worldwide.
The Church was built by the Emperor Justinianus I in the sixth century AD and was the Imperial Chapel of Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine Empire. In 1453, after the fall of Constantinople to the Turks, it was converted to a mosque, and finally transformed to a museum by the Turkish Republic in 1923.

Haghia Eirene is one of the most important existing Orthodox monuments, classified by UNESCO as part of the world's cultural patrimony.

August 24, 1993: Vandals attacked and desecrated the Christian Orthodox cemetery in Yenikoy, Istanbul. The vandals destroyed fourteen graves, broke crosses, scattered the bones of the dead and, in one case, took a corpse outside of its shroud.

March 1993: the Cathedral of Virgin Mary in the island of Imvros was attacked viciously. Icons were stolen and the altar was vandalized.

April 1994: Unidentified persons tossed burning torches into the yard of the Greek Grand National Academy, in Phanar, Istanbul. The fire was extinguished immediately with Fire Brigade assistance.

September 1994: more than one hundred Greek high-school graduates in Istanbul were not allowed to enroll to Turkish Universities. The pupils had succeeded in the nation-wide entrance exams. The pretext for this discriminatory decision was that they had not attended the course of physical education during the previous school-year. It was because of the Turkish authorities, however, that this course was not taught: Turkey did not allow the entrance of teachers from Greece to teach in Greek minority schools, thus violating the Lausanne Treaty.


Then lets not forget, Turkey's inability to acknowledge international law regarding the Aegean. Turkey thinks it's agenda comes above the international community, therefore makes it discriminatory to those who don't agree to Turkeys agenda.

A mentality is not everyone droning out the same opinions and thoughts, it's ideals that people may agree or disagree with, but they can understand them and use them as a reference point.
Greece's mentality is very much "European" as it's taken steps in allowing more migration and liberalising the market place.
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Postby cypezokyli » Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:29 am

if the european mendality is connected to "market liberalisation" then turkey is doing steps towards that direction... :wink:
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