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Postby insan » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:32 pm

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Wikileaks unveils largest US diplomatic cables, Turkey makes up second biggest share

The US diplomats' verdict on the NATO partner with the second biggest army in the alliance is devastating. The Turkish leadership is depicted as divided, and Erdoğan's advisers, as well as Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, are portrayed as having little understanding of politics beyond Ankara.

The Americans are also worried about Davutoğlu's alleged neo-Ottoman visions. A high-ranking government adviser warned in discussions, quoted by the US diplomats, that Davutoğlu would use his Islamist influence on Erdoğan, describing him as "exceptionally dangerous." According to the US document, another adviser to the ruling AK Party remarked, probably ironically, that Turkey wanted "to take back Andalusia and avenge the defeat at the siege of Vienna in 1683."

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-228225- ... share.html


WHAT WILL BE IN WIKILEAKS?

If dual citizens who make up much of the Pentagon’s leadership are working with Israel or AIPAC to formulate Wikileaks, as seems to be the case, then the upcoming leak will serve a pro-Israeli agenda, even if it damages the United States, as other Wikileaks have. These are Israeli agenda items:

* Discrediting Obama foreign policy in order to weaken the president’s influence with congress to push for a halt on new settlements in Palestine and the forced removal of Islamic property owners.
* Accusations involving Turkey, now feuding with Israel over the killing of Turkish citizens on the Mavi Marmara, now recognized as a purely humanitarian mission. These accusations against Turkey may include weapons being supplied to terrorists in Iraq, a fanciful abuse of reality. What will not be reported, if this story is “leaked” either through Wikileaks or the other Israeli sources, “Debka”..”Stratfor”..”FamilySecurityMatters.org”..or the infamous “IsraelNationalNews.com” is Israel’s 40 years of complicity in the very acts they now accuse Turkey of.
* More importantly, is the issue of blaming Turkey for the actions of the terrorist group, PKK, long funded by Israel and now claimed to be allied to Al Qaeda, is vital to Israel’s strategy against Turkey.
* Expect Pakistan to be hit, as usual. An Islamic nuclear power with a top rate million man army that outclasses Israel hands down, Pakistan, primary competitor for US aid dollars, a country that actually has agreements with the United States and real troops fighting alongside Americans, will get their usual Wikileaks bashing.

WIKILEAKS IS CHICKENFEED MEANT TO COVER ISRAEL’S TAIL

Is it a coincidence that documents regarding Israel, their spying, influence peddling, suspicions of complicity in terrorism, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, across Europe and even the Detroit bombing, those reports are there, they are classified but you will never see one on Wikileaks. In fact, they are the only classified information that never gets out to the news. Is that because, as we have learned, the borders of Israel extend well into Washington DC, well into the Pentagon? What won’t we see in Wikileaks:

* Nothing in Wikileaks will accuse anyone, even Pakistan or Afghanistan, or complicity in narcotics trafficking nor mention the huge new narcotics industry operating in Iraq. Ask yourself why.
* One of the biggest areas of complaint in the Pentagon, more classified White Papers have been written on this than anything else: “How Israel is Endangering the United States“
* In fact, the biggest “classified” debate in America is what supporting Israel, a nation with incredible wealth and utterly obnoxious leaders costs the United States. Rumors of such issues aren’t rumors at all. When General Petraeus presented his now famous power-point presentation to Admiral Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, outlining how Israel is undermining American foreign policy, he wasn’t operating without tens of thousands of pages of intelligence behind him. Not one page, not one word of these studies will be in Wikileaks.
* When Vice President Joe Biden said the following to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu:

“This is starting to get dangerous for us, what you’re doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/27 ... eck-out-2/
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Postby Lit » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:17 pm

"According to a broad range of our contacts, Erdogan reads minimally, mainly the Islamist-leaning press. ... He relies on his charisma, instincts, and the filterings of advisors who pull conspiracy theories off the web or are lost in neo-Ottoman Islamist fantasies."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/11/29/wi ... ey/?hpt=C1

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Postby insan » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:00 pm

“WIKI-MURDERS”…”WIKI-TERROR”….”WIKI-WAR”

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

An attack on American forces in the Persian Gulf is being planned. Wikileaks is an integral part of the operation. Step one was the current “diplomatic” Wikileak. Step two, the brazen “Mossad style”murders in Iran.

Wikileaks couldn’t be more involved if they built the bombs or fired the missiles themselves.

When America is attacked, either in the Persian Gulf or at home, Wikileaks will be a part of it. The operation is staged for the Persian Gulf where American warships are “sitting ducks” for a sneak attack like the USS Liberty “incident.”

As with the Liberty attack, Israel can use friends in high places in the United States to assure that if they are blamed, they can claim it was an honest mistake, even if an American super-carrier goes down with all hands.

The preferred weapon will be submarine launched missiles, probably with small nuclear warheads, that will appear to be launched from Iran. Israeli submarines are currently on station within range of American targets, subs known to be armed with cruise type missiles similar to those used by Iran. The attacks on US forces are dependent on the build-up of tensions tied to terror bombings that have killed one Iranian scientist and wounded another.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/29 ... ag-terror/

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic officer of UN humanitarian groups. Gordon Duff's articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest.
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Postby Lit » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:11 pm

30 November, 2010 10:56 (GMT +00:00)

Ankara relations with Washington on "downward spiral"

Turkey "permitted" weapons related material to transit for Iran nuclear programme, Wikileaks cables from US Emabssy in Paris reveals

International News Desk

Secret diplomatic cables leaked by Wikileaks has revealed the scale of the chasm that exists between Washington and Ankara with suspicions that Ankara’s shift to the east has taken on a far more important shift, with possible collusion, and support for the Iran nuclear programme.

http://www.thelondondailynews.com/ankar ... -4859.html
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Postby Lit » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:20 pm

The Wikileaks revelations have put international relationships on the line. But they have also sparked lively internal debates in the countries concerned by the disclosures, nowhere more so than in Turkey.

The newspapers are full of it. “Wikileaks becomes a Wikiflood in Turkey” headlines the Turkish Daily News. A bombshell has hit the country as it digests apparent US scepticism over its leadership, portrayed as divided and permeated by Islamists.

Turkey’s Prime Minister cast doubt on the site’s credibility before leaving for Libya. Recep Tayyip Erdogan has good reason to play it all down. According to claims in the secret US cables, he has eight Swiss bank accounts.

And the documents seem to reveal internal tensions in Erdogan’s team. However Turkish Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul denies he described the now Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu as “exceptionally dangerous” because of his alleged Islamist influence on the government.

http://www.euronews.net/2010/11/30/turk ... sclosures/
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Postby insan » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:09 pm

Wikileaks ­ The Tel Aviv Connection
By Jeff Gates
11-30-10


What is Tel Aviv to do now that it's known Israelis and pro-Israelis 'fixed' the intelligence that induced the U.S. to war in Iraq?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Con me consistently for six decades and the relationship is over, as is Israel's credibility as a legitimate nation state.

Tel Aviv knows this. But what can the Zionist state do about it? Answer: Wikileaks.

Why now? Misdirection. Shine the spotlight on Washington to take it off Tel Aviv. That's good old-fashioned psy-ops. And challenge the credibility of the U.S. That's Wikileaks.

Any credible forensics would start by asking: to whose benefit? Then look to means, motive and opportunity plus the presence of stable nation-state intelligence inside the U.S.

Other than Israel, who else is a credible candidate? Notice how quickly Israel's role in the peace process vanished from the news. Now it's Iran, Iran and more Iran. To whose benefit?

Tel Aviv knows that the phony intelligence on Iraq leads to those skilled at waging war "by way of deception"-the motto of the Israeli Mossad. Wikileaks are noteworthy for what's missing: the absence of any material damaging to Israeli goals.

http://www.rense.com/general92/wik.htm
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Postby insan » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:18 pm

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: It's not a question of worry. It's, rather, a question of whether WikiLeaks are being manipulated by interested parties that want to either complicate our relationship with other governments or want to undermine some governments, because some of these items that are being emphasized and have surfaced are very pointed.

And I wonder whether, in fact, there aren't some operations internationally, intelligence services, that are feeding stuff to WikiLeaks, because it is a unique opportunity to embarrass us, to embarrass our position, but also to undermine our relations with particular governments.

For example, leaving aside the personal gossip about Sarkozy or Berlusconi or Putin, the business about the Turks is clearly calculated in terms of its potential impact on disrupting the American-Turkish relationship.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/governme ... 11-29.html
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Postby insan » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:38 pm

The WikiLeaks dump will probably damage the global conversation. Nations will be less likely to share with the United States. Agencies will be tempted to return to the pre-9/11 silos. World leaders will get their back up when they read what is said about them. Cooperation against Iran may be harder to maintain because Arab leaders feel exposed and boxed in. This fragile international conversation is under threat. It’s under threat from WikiLeaks. It’s under threat from a Gresham’s Law effect, in which the level of public exposure is determined by the biggest leaker and the biggest traitor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/opini ... s&emc=a212

Yeah... it is clear that Israel wants to "resolve" the issue alone...
Israeli DM Gave US Until End of 2010 to ‘Resolve’ Iran Nuclear Program
2010 a "Pivotal" Year as Israel Poised to Strike
by Jason Ditz, November 28, 2010
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According to one State Department document, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak gave an ultimatum to US Congressmen to “resolve” Iran’s nuclear program by the end of 2010 or that a “military solution” would be sought.

At the same time, Barak conceded that an Israeli attack on Iran would result in “unacceptable collateral damage,” though this did not appear to dissuade him from the belief that such an attack must be launched within the “window of opportunity” that he believed would close at the end of 2010 or shortly thereafter.

US officials were said to have been concerned about the reliability of Israeli assessments, noting that Israel had predicted that Iran would have nuclear weapons by 1998 “at the latest” and has repeatedly updated to a new deadline every few years.

A separate cable also cited Israeli Defense Ministry official Pinchas Buchris insisting that the US wasn’t committed enough to attacking Iran and that Israel was willing to do so “no matter how undesirable the consequences.“


http://news.antiwar.com/2010/11/28/isra ... r-program/
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Postby Lit » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:43 am

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu largely shares this viewpoint and the Americans are alarmed by his imperialistic tone. In a summary of a speech by Davutoglu delivered in Sarajevo in January 2010, the US ambassador wrote: "His thesis: the Balkans, Caucasus and Middle East were all better off when under Ottoman control or influence; peace and progress prevailed. Alas the region has been ravaged by division and war ever since.... However, now Turkey is back, ready to lead or even unite. (Davutoglu: 'We will re-establish this (Ottoman) Balkan')."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 84,00.html
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:14 pm

Lit wrote:Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu largely shares this viewpoint and the Americans are alarmed by his imperialistic tone. In a summary of a speech by Davutoglu delivered in Sarajevo in January 2010, the US ambassador wrote: "His thesis: the Balkans, Caucasus and Middle East were all better off when under Ottoman control or influence; peace and progress prevailed. Alas the region has been ravaged by division and war ever since.... However, now Turkey is back, ready to lead or even unite. (Davutoglu: 'We will re-establish this (Ottoman) Balkan')."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 84,00.html


Pls intervine to him to leave us out of his great dreams. We prefer to be small and outside his great deplomatic arena.We prefer to see him to colaspe without us in.
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