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[zan]

Look, you cannot deny that at the moment both governments are keeping their relative peoples “war ready”. It is the government’s words and teachings that are fuelling most of the hate that is around

exactly, and thats why it can also work under one state. it is the leaders who lead. and it is their responsibility to keep the island stable

Not while living together at the moment. It can only be achieved if the two governments take their respective peoples away from all the negative and sometimes racist influences, get them into shape and then reunification might be possible. We are not ready for it yet and if we continue to try and force a unity that will never be properly balanced the uncertainty will carry on festering and that will bring about hostilities. History has shown that, all through Cypresses history. Let’s try something different. I think it will work as long as we don’t go down the same route as Palestine and Israel and teach hate in our schools and homes. There comes a time when all you can do is to separate two people that are fighting and give them some thinking time along with some counselling. GCs will not listen to TC councillors and visa versa.

In a perfect world I would like to move back to Cyprus with my family and buy a home next door to my best friend Phedos where our children can grow up together. He and I both know that that is not going to happen. Perhaps we can pave the way for our children.
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[Piratis]

I am sorry but I cannot except that your right to GC property should over ride the need to ensure the safety of all the Cypriots.

It doesn't.
Would you say this lame excuse if the TCs were ethnically cleansed from Cyprus and send to Turkey and then you were told that "your right to your property can not over ride the need to ensure safety for all Cypriots"?

I agree with you Zan. The majority of GCs do not want unificaion with TCs for the sake of living together with TCs, they do it because they want their properties back and because of some romantic attachment to their hellenic ancestral land on which TCs will always be considerd foreigners.

TCs are not considered foreigners. The TCs are the ones who consider the GCs foreigners in 1/3rd of the island. And not only they "consider" them foreigners, they force them to live away from their own land because of the race they belong to.

We should correct the imbalances that exist today, and try not to impose the whole cost of seperation on GCs, by making some territorial corrections that will alleviate the pain of GC refugees, but eventually partition would be the best solution for both.

And why would partition be the best solution for both? Since when a solution based on ethnic cleasning and human rights violations can be the best solution?

[BirKibrisli]

Zan wrote:

Let’s try something different. I think it will work as long as we don’t go down the same route as Palestine and Israel and teach hate in our schools and homes. There comes a time when all you can do is to separate two people that are fighting and give them some thinking time along with some counselling. GCs will not listen to TC councillors and visa

You make me laugh , Zan gardash.Is Partition trying something different? Where have you been in the last 50 years?
How long do two fighting people need to be separated and have thinking time?We have been seprated since 1964,so in my calculation that makes it 41 years so far.Isn't it enough time to realise the folly of fighting and using force against each other?

Zan wrote:

In a perfect world I would like to move back to Cyprus with my family and buy a home next door to my best friend Phedos where our children can grow up together. He and I both know that that is not going to happen. Perhaps we can pave the way for our children.

It is a pity you have already decided it is not going to happen.
Why can't you do exactly that,and live next to your mate Phedos and look out for each other?You never know Zan,I might move in next to you and so might cypezokyli and Kifeas and Alexios and Bananiot and even 2fan(we can make him an honourary Cypriot) and Boomerang and brother and Erol and Moose etc...Why even Piratis might join us.And we can form a political party (or two or three ) and run for elections on "Cyprus is for the Cypriots" slogan.We are only limited by our own imagination.And we owe it to our children to pave the way ,as you say.
We don't want them to live in exile all their lives without a solid sense of identity,do we?

[zan]

Zan wrote:

Let’s try something different. I think it will work as long as we don’t go down the same route as Palestine and Israel and teach hate in our schools and homes. There comes a time when all you can do is to separate two people that are fighting and give them some thinking time along with some counselling. GCs will not listen to TC councillors and visa

You make me laugh , Zan gardash.Is Partition trying something different? Where have you been in the last 50 years?
How long do two fighting people need to be separated and have thinking time?We have been seprated since 1964,so in my calculation that makes it 41 years so far.Isn't it enough time to realise the folly of fighting and using force against each other?

Zan wrote:

In a perfect world I would like to move back to Cyprus with my family and buy a home next door to my best friend Phedos where our children can grow up together. He and I both know that that is not going to happen. Perhaps we can pave the way for our children.

It is a pity you have already decided it is not going to happen.
Why can't you do exactly that,and live next to your mate Phedos and look out for each other?You never know Zan,I might move in next to you and so might cypezokyli and Kifeas and Alexios and Bananiot and even 2fan(we can make him an honourary Cypriot) and Boomerang and brother and Erol and Moose etc...Why even Piratis might join us.And we can form a political party (or two or three ) and run for elections on "Cyprus is for the Cypriots" slogan.We are only limited by our own imagination.And we owe it to our children to pave the way ,as you say.
We don't want them to live in exile all their lives without a solid sense of identity,do we?

I wonder what it would have been like if both sides were allowed to exist on equal terms. Your 41years of separation has been 41years of siege for one side whilst the other side has been allowed to grow and prosper.

As for your street full of moderates, I doubt if we would get out of bed in the morning, let alone form a political party. I have made up my mind on what I want based on what I think is best for the Island and the TCs. If that is a shock to all the People on this forum who will be typing out already that I am only thinking about the TCs then all I can say to them is look at what your asking for and then throw your stones. Of course my pleas will fall on deaf ears and thick heads but its better than laying in bed all day in between silk sheets, and feeling sorry for my self.

[cypezokyli]

merhaba komsu birkibrisli
(i learned this word from a bulgarian friend, is supposed to mean neighbour, we thought it is turkish and i dont have a clue how to spell it...bg_turk i could use some help here )
a neighbourhouód would be better than a political party dont you think? perhaps the solution in the end would be to split the island in three, the tc who want to stay alone, the gc who want to stay alone, and those who want to live together (or for zan : gc moderates who will not let the tc moderated to get out of bed in the morning )

hey zan, since you are sure that you made up your mind, at least allow the rest of us to dream a bit.

[bg_turk]

i learned this word from a bulgarian friend, is supposed to mean neighbour, we thought it is turkish and i dont have a clue how to spell it...bg_turk i could use some help here

Yes that is the right way to spell it, or to be exact in pronunciation komshu, there are many words in bulgarian that are borrowed from turkish.

[cypezokyli]

thanks bg_turk

even though i already knew how to pronounce it,.just didnt know the relevant letter for sh in turkish.
what i like about this word, is that it works throughout the balkans. as soon as you meet someone from the balkans you just say: ee komsu, and we already know that we ll understand each other

[BirKibrisli]

Zan wrote:

As for your street full of moderates, I doubt if we would get out of bed in the morning, let alone form a political party. I have made up my mind on what I want based on what I think is best for the Island and the TCs. If that is a shock to all the People on this forum who will be typing out already that I am only thinking about the TCs then all I can say to them is look at what your asking for and then throw your stones. Of course my pleas will fall on deaf ears and thick heads but its better than laying in bed all day in between silk sheets, and feeling sorry for my self.

Zan,you are welcome to your opinion,mate.You are not here to please anyone,just to give us your honest opinions.You obviously subscribe to the turkish saying "Sutten agzi yanan yogurdu ufleyerek yer"(If you burn your mouth on milk,better to blow on yogurt before eating).
But tell me,laying in bed all day between silk sheets,that is not too bad is it?Especially if you have nice company?

[BirKibrisli]

i learned this word from a bulgarian friend, is supposed to mean neighbour, we thought it is turkish and i dont have a clue how to spell it...bg_turk i could use some help here

Yes that is the right way to spell it, or to be exact in pronunciation komshu, there are many words in bulgarian that are borrowed from turkish.

Sorry,bg_turk,for not including you in my ideal street design in united Cyprus.I know you are a seperatist but would you like to come and live with us and be our "komshu" in Cyprus,if we promise you satin sheets and a nice Cypriot woman for company???

[BirKibrisli]

merhaba komsu birkibrisli
(i learned this word from a bulgarian friend, is supposed to mean neighbour, we thought it is turkish and i dont have a clue how to spell it...bg_turk i could use some help here )
a neighbourhouód would be better than a political party dont you think? perhaps the solution in the end would be to split the island in three, the tc who want to stay alone, the gc who want to stay alone, and those who want to live together (or for zan : gc moderates who will not let the tc moderated to get out of bed in the morning )

hey zan, since you are sure that you made up your mind, at least allow the rest of us to dream a bit.

Merhaba komshu cypezokyli,
I am a bit greedy,I want a neighbourhood and a political party to spread our message.Don't joke about splitting Cyprus three ways,two is bad enough,thank you.
And I am sure Zan will change his mind and join us after a while.
We can go and visit him in his bed every day and drink tea or something stronger,and hatch our political campaigns.

By the way,thank you for your comments in the Our Problem thread.
I only feel sorry for the likes of Ellas H Tefra.Imagine the weight of all that hatred and bitterness he is carrying around.Can't be good for his health.