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Was 9/11 an inside job?

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Was 9/11 an inside job?

Yes
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No
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:39 am

kurupetos wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Why not the churches? After all Jesus was a Jew :lol:


No, a Jew today is defined as a follower of Judaism.


Jesus was a follower of Judaism all his life and early Christianity was a Judaic sect: Jesus never set out to form a new religion but to reform the existing Jewish faith as then practiced. His ideas were entirely consistent with some then existing schools of thought including Pharisaic - Rabbinical Judaism, and Chritsinity still shares many basic tennets of the Judiac faith, including, for example, the Mosaic laws.

The biggest difference is the claim by Christians that the only way bto god is through Jesus as Christ the Messiah, something not accpeted by modern jews.

Christianity and Judaism did not begin to diverge until after Jesus' death. Firstly there was the influence of St Paul who, amongst other things, removed certain Judaic elements from the essential requirements, such as male circumcision and compliance with the Kosher Food laws, and secondly there was a decline in the number of Jewish adherents (particularly following the destruction of the temple in about 70AD) when a literal kindom of God on earth failed to materialise. Howwver for may years, possibly until as late as 325 BC many early Christians worshippped at the local Synagoge.

Joke: a good Jewish friend of mine, told me this one:
It was about the three Children, a Catholic, a Protestant and a Jew, who discussed what they did on Christmas day:

The Catholic described how they went to midnight mass then came home, and went to bed for a few hours, before going to morning Mass, then they came home, had Christmas Dinner, opened their presents, and watched the Queen's speech, before going to afternoon Mass.

The Protestant child described how they got up in the morning, opened their presents, went to morning service, came home, had a big dinner, watched the Queen's speech and fell asleep in front of the telly.

The Jewish boy said we celebrate Christmas too, but in a special way: we get up, have an ordinary breakfast, then we go to my fathers' toyshop,
look at all the empty shelves and then we sing a Chorus of "what a friend we have in Jesus".

I capped it: I told my friend - "Jesus was not a friend: he was a relative!"


Be that as it may - there is now a school of thought that considers controlled demolition as a practical application of progressive collapse and thus buildings which undergo progressive collapse in the manner of the twin towers and buildings which undergo controlled demolition will tend to show similar characteristics in how they collapse

As to conspiracy theories his site contains some useful information and challanges, sometimes with theuir own evidence, the core conpiracy theory that the world trade centre buildings were demolished by preplaced explosives:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

It is well worth reviewing in its entirety before deciding the collapse was caused by pre-placed explosives as a part of a Jewish/ US Government /little Green mane from Mars conspiracy. The only conspiracy was by the Arabs linked to Al Queada and the cause of the collpase of all of the buildings can be attributed to the act of flying planes into each of the twin towers.

In particular, in essence WT7 collapsed because it was hit from above by Debris from the twin towers: something it was never designed to withstand. Again the buidling underwnt a pancake collpase as the penthouse collapsed on nto the floor below and the lot progressively went vertically down, something predicated by its "tube in tube" structural design, with basically large areas of floor which were basically only held up by attachment to the outer columns and the inner columns forming the core, with no intermediate structural support.
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:37 am

Daniella wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:You can pick to pieces the details of the Pentagon crash and argue about it until the end of time… yes, we can argue about VNE, QNF, QNH and the FDR data (I also have a PPL)…

Personally, I believe that somebody that spent a significant amount of time on a fight simulator could fly an (already flying) plane into a building (you’re going to die; it doesn’t matter if you exceed VNE or coordinate rudder and ailerons).

However, that is somewhat irrelevant. If you believe that the Pentagon crash was part of a plot you also have to accept the Twin Towers crashes were part of the same plot.

And the chances of such a plot to fly aircraft into multiple buildings, and coordinate them with a controlled demolition without anybody involved in the plot breaking secrecy or anything going wrong are infinitesimally small…



how to loose 10.000 points :lol:
1) what you mean exatly with "significant" amount of time?
2) what is irrelevant?
3) twin towers collapsed after being mined, so.. since you are not a spring sparrow.. check for some videos on youtube about controlled demolition, then we can discuss about WT7 collapse, for example.

@ paphitis : yes i have a licence to fly "small" aircraft. We have had an ECHO P92 and a couple of "ultralight" as deltaplano...on my board i think i have 120 hours by flying ( most of with a co-pilot )

sweet dreams all :wink:


Good girl Daniella. I bet you made Paphitis gulp by showing that flying isnt only a mans domain. :lol:
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:49 am

STU, are you saying that Christ was not a Christian?
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:52 am

Bananiot wrote:STU, are you saying that Christ was not a Christian?


He could not be a Christian since such think was not available on His time.
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:19 pm

No sh1t! Perhaps, you can enlighten us as to whether Marx was a marxist.
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Postby Daniella » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:39 pm

Bananiot wrote:No sh1t! Perhaps, you can enlighten us as to whether Marx was a marxist.


......and also why a monkey call himself banana :lol:

you are off topic, again :roll:
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Postby Daniella » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:43 pm

Even I do not like the idea of conspiracy, but nobody can deny that in this story there are too many unanswered questions.
I wish reply to cyprusgrump :
1) I do not have to prove anything, what really happened you should ask the U.S. government.
After 10 years none has yet been indicted. I speak of judicial processes of murder and assassination. There is no guilt.
2) sure Americans went to the Moon ! :lol:

I refuse to believe that 19 Bedouins that were uncapable of driving a light aircraft were able to do all this without being intercepted by the military's most advanced defense system in the world.
It 's a matter of psychological approach.

the best defenders of this lie becomes the people who have been the first victims.
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:45 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Daniella wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:You can pick to pieces the details of the Pentagon crash and argue about it until the end of time… yes, we can argue about VNE, QNF, QNH and the FDR data (I also have a PPL)…

Personally, I believe that somebody that spent a significant amount of time on a fight simulator could fly an (already flying) plane into a building (you’re going to die; it doesn’t matter if you exceed VNE or coordinate rudder and ailerons).

However, that is somewhat irrelevant. If you believe that the Pentagon crash was part of a plot you also have to accept the Twin Towers crashes were part of the same plot.

And the chances of such a plot to fly aircraft into multiple buildings, and coordinate them with a controlled demolition without anybody involved in the plot breaking secrecy or anything going wrong are infinitesimally small…



how to loose 10.000 points :lol:
1) what you mean exatly with "significant" amount of time?
2) what is irrelevant?
3) twin towers collapsed after being mined, so.. since you are not a spring sparrow.. check for some videos on youtube about controlled demolition, then we can discuss about WT7 collapse, for example.

@ paphitis : yes i have a licence to fly "small" aircraft. We have had an ECHO P92 and a couple of "ultralight" as deltaplano...on my board i think i have 120 hours by flying ( most of with a co-pilot )

sweet dreams all :wink:


Good girl Daniella. I bet you made Paphitis gulp by showing that flying isnt only a mans domain. :lol:


I really like female pilots! They can fly the whole sortie and still make a good coffee. 8)
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:49 pm

how sexist can you get! suggesting only ladies can make good coffee.....

I am sure there are plenty of blokes who can also fly whole sortie and still make a good coffee.
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:52 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Daniella wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:You can pick to pieces the details of the Pentagon crash and argue about it until the end of time… yes, we can argue about VNE, QNF, QNH and the FDR data (I also have a PPL)…

Personally, I believe that somebody that spent a significant amount of time on a fight simulator could fly an (already flying) plane into a building (you’re going to die; it doesn’t matter if you exceed VNE or coordinate rudder and ailerons).

However, that is somewhat irrelevant. If you believe that the Pentagon crash was part of a plot you also have to accept the Twin Towers crashes were part of the same plot.

And the chances of such a plot to fly aircraft into multiple buildings, and coordinate them with a controlled demolition without anybody involved in the plot breaking secrecy or anything going wrong are infinitesimally small…



how to loose 10.000 points :lol:
1) what you mean exatly with "significant" amount of time?
2) what is irrelevant?
3) twin towers collapsed after being mined, so.. since you are not a spring sparrow.. check for some videos on youtube about controlled demolition, then we can discuss about WT7 collapse, for example.

@ paphitis : yes i have a licence to fly "small" aircraft. We have had an ECHO P92 and a couple of "ultralight" as deltaplano...on my board i think i have 120 hours by flying ( most of with a co-pilot )

sweet dreams all :wink:


A quick question: -

Do you also believe all the Youtube videos that 'prove' man did not land on the Moon?

@ Paphitis - I used to have a ¼ share in an Arrow - I sold it to Ian Whittle, the son of Frank who invented the jet engine! :D


Nice!

Sindicates are a good way to share costs.

Owning a Mooney would be nice, but I doubt I would be too eager to fly it. Perhaps when my kids are older I could expose them to flying and maybe they will catch the flying bug. Then I could just hire an instructor to teach them to fly I suppose. Can't think of another good reason really.

Do you regret selling it?
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