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Postby Robin Hood » Wed May 25, 2011 6:08 pm

Go ahead, make my day.!


Delighted to! Although you will find all this in infinite detail on sites such as ‘Pilots for 9-11 Truth’ and ‘Architects for 9-11 Truth’ and neither site makes any claims as to who or why, just plain simple facts that show that what we were told happened that day was not supported by the evidence. These are the questions any rational observer that took the trouble to find out more, would be asking. No little green men, holograms, Irish munchkins on either of these sites just fact and informed opinion!

I bet you also believe that when a magician performs tricks, you think he/she is in fact performing magic and not tricks, just because you saw it with your own eyes and have ignored all your common senses and judgement to believe that it is ONLY a trick and nothing more.



If this is how you saw the events on 9-11, it is no wonder you have difficulty separating reality from illution.

If you believe the latter, then why not blow up the buildings during middle of the night to cause the least amount of deaths .........


You would still have needed to get into the buildings, whether it was a daylight or night operation. So it would have made very little difference except that a simple night explosion would have started a major investigation and the residue of explosives, only available to the military would have been evident and that would raise official questions; whereas a couple of aircraft crashing into the towers was very visible and set the scene as it was obvious to everybody that it was a terrorist attack using hijacked aircraft that bought the buildings down and killed three thousand people ............or apparently so, if you don’t look too closely and don’t ask too many embarrassing questions.

........and still go after Bin Laden and Iraq thereafter blaming them all the same.


Bin Ladin was never considered by the FBI as a suspect for 9-11 and when an FBI official was asked why, the reply was that there was NO evidence to support such an allegation.

9-11 had the same effect that Pearl Harbour had on the general public, it simply ensured that the people would support the Government in the unpopular act of war. A government cannot just go to war without the backing of the people as that would be political suicide. 9-11 also set the conditions for the Americans to give up their rights under the Constitution so that the Government could ‘protect’ them from dangerous terrorists. (but that is another story!)

Bin Laden did try to blow up one of the Towers before, did he not, and from "Bottom to Top" method which did not work.


Very true. Again look at the evidence. Who supplied the explosives..... the US Government through the CIA (?)! The guy was a patsy and had he actually parked the van where he should have done, the explosion would have done very serious structural damage. It may not have bought the Tower down but would have made it structurally unsound.

Surely even you can understand that if you remove the central support columns at the bottom in a building constructed on the tube principal, then gravity and the laws of physics will implode the rest. Listen to the fire-fighters .... they heard explosions in the WTC buildings some time before they collapsed and saw the dust but no soot or the smell of aviation fuel. This was long enough before, for them to be a couple of blocks away when the first one fell.

Look at the video, the columns that had been cut, at an angle .... exactly the way you would cut beams in a controlled demolition with ‘Thermite’ or the military version ‘Thermate’, evidence of which was found all over the area. That is a bit like a figure print at a murder scene.

There was no steel left that was longer than 11m, that being about two stories and what was left was removed from the site, taken to Statton Island and loaded onto ships bound for China, within a few weeks of the incident. You normally keep evidence until after the trial ,not get rid of it before it can be examined........all that steel and virtually none of it is left. The bits that are left shows signs of ‘Thermate’ residue and the effects this cutting charge has on steel.

These fire-fighters also mention rivers and pools of molten steel. What melted the steel? Aviation fuel .... don’t think so! Even in ideal combustion conditions it does not create a high enough temperature to melt or even seriously deform steel! Look at any of the videos, black smoke indicates poor combustion, which equates to lower temperatures and to support that low temperature claim, there is one piece of video showing a survivor standing in the opening made by the aircraft waving his shirt to attract attention and black smoke is pouring out of the opening above him, so it was unlikely to have been so hot inside the building that it would melt steel. In any case, virtually all the aviation fuel (Kerosine) had either burnt outside the building on impact or as liquid fuel would have decended under gravity to lower floors through the central shafts.

So what happened with WTC7? .... It was not hit by an aircraft full of fuel and the fire fighters said the fires were minor, just a furniture fires, on two or three floors and nothing like hot enough to cause structural damage and also limited to a localised area. Then it too collapsed into its own footprint! If you look at the videos of WTC7 going down you clearly see the penthouse disappear into the structure, before the outer walls collapsed into the buildings own footprint and from the bottom of the building up. All the windows remained aligned vertically and horizontally, thus it was the bottom that was collapsing. The ‘Penthouse’ sat on top of the central columns which were the structural core of the building which says that the centre collapsed and took the rest down with it.

Then the question arises if we are to pay any attention to the "inside job" theories, who flew those planes into the buildings if not Al Qaeda and why.? Were the pilots at American and United in with the conspiracy to commit suicide by taking part in this "inside job" conspiracy.?


We don’t know what happened, that is the whole argument! But very clearly the evidence does not support the official conspiracy theory. Once it is determined beyond reasonable doubt what happened or conversely, what didn’t happen, then we may find out why and who. I have no real doubt that there were Arabs on the aircraft but, it is a fact that several of these hijackers were alive long after 9-11, so who ever was on the aircraft were not necessarily those they named.

This can only be very a relatively short response but I would suggest you look at some of the more professional opinions and you will see very clearly that there is a lot of real evidence to support a full investigation into what actually happened to the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Who did it, if it wasn’t terrorists and why, can only be determined after we know what did happen that day.

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If it was an inside job; what purpose would it serve?


This is available as fairly logical explanations on many web sites but, it can only ever be an hypothesis as nobody has ever investigated the events of 9-11

USA does not need any excuse to attack anything 'Moslem'. They will go ahead and do it anyway. WHAT PURPOSE?


Of course the Americans need an excuse! Referred to as ‘false flag operations’. The ‘Gulf of Tonkin’ was such an incident and gave the USA the reason to engage in the Vietnam war, which they thought was just fighting a bunch of ill-trained peasants. A war they thought they would win hands down and the whole thing would be over in weeks. It cost them thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars ...... and they lost anyway.

There are other examples and not just the USA, Britain has a few skeletons in the cupboard! As a Cypriot(?) you would know the story that the Turks did the same in Cyprus by burning their own Mosques and blaming the GC’s. So, the practice of mounting false flag operations is not a rare occurrence. As CAP says 9-11 was all to do with oil, that means it is also to do with money and the industrial military complex and the people behind both. The ‘Muslims’ own a very large slice of the worlds oil reserves and the US feels they need to control the oil, not a bunch of Arabs.

If a conspiracy, why the twin towers?


This can again only be an hypothesis as, nobody has ever been charged with the crime and therefore the full facts have never come to light. We know what happened but we do not know how, why, or by whom with any degree of certainty. Most people have only what they have been told by the media, to form an opinion, others have enough interest to go and look for more information and then question the official story.

The Twin towers were a perfect false flag target. It was what ‘America’ is all about......big, rich, powerful and in your face and any attack on such a prestigious target would really piss the American people off. This thought profile could equally apply to either Al Queda or others and what could be simpler than getting the enemy to do your dirty work for you?

I do not for one minute believe that the US security services knew absolutely nothing about this operation. Is it really rational to believe that ObL, sitting in some remote corner of the globe in Pakistan, Afghanistan or where ever, with no telephone, no internet access or mobile, could plan and implement such an event, thousands of miles away ..... without a multi-billion dollars per anum, well equiped US security service, with tentacles all over the world and a staff of thousands, that they did not knowing some thing was going on???

There are many whistle blowers who have said otherwise, they were ignored at the time and then fired when they went public. Some have died in ‘accidents’.

You only needed to watch the US peoples reaction to the news of the killing of ObL. to see that an act against the American people such as 9-11 is all that is needed to get the American people on board for a revenge attack. The legality and justification of the action is of secondary consideration for the US.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed May 25, 2011 7:24 pm

Thanks for that th e Hood. The Penthouse collapse is very interesting. I must watch the videos again and see what kind of 'magic' this event is.
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Postby Robin Hood » Wed May 25, 2011 7:31 pm

No majic..... what you see is what you get! The building also kinks on the roof line at one end (LH), another thing you will see happen in a controlled demolition.
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Re: 911

Postby Kikapu » Thu May 26, 2011 11:21 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Go ahead, make my day.!


Delighted to! Although you will find all this in infinite detail on sites such as ‘Pilots for 9-11 Truth’ and ‘Architects for 9-11 Truth’ and neither site makes any claims as to who or why, just plain simple facts that show that what we were told happened that day was not supported by the evidence. These are the questions any rational observer that took the trouble to find out more, would be asking. No little green men, holograms, Irish munchkins on either of these sites just fact and informed opinion!

I bet you also believe that when a magician performs tricks, you think he/she is in fact performing magic and not tricks, just because you saw it with your own eyes and have ignored all your common senses and judgement to believe that it is ONLY a trick and nothing more.



If this is how you saw the events on 9-11, it is no wonder you have difficulty separating reality from illution.

If you believe the latter, then why not blow up the buildings during middle of the night to cause the least amount of deaths .........


You would still have needed to get into the buildings, whether it was a daylight or night operation. So it would have made very little difference except that a simple night explosion would have started a major investigation and the residue of explosives, only available to the military would have been evident and that would raise official questions; whereas a couple of aircraft crashing into the towers was very visible and set the scene as it was obvious to everybody that it was a terrorist attack using hijacked aircraft that bought the buildings down and killed three thousand people ............or apparently so, if you don’t look too closely and don’t ask too many embarrassing questions.

........and still go after Bin Laden and Iraq thereafter blaming them all the same.


Bin Ladin was never considered by the FBI as a suspect for 9-11 and when an FBI official was asked why, the reply was that there was NO evidence to support such an allegation.

9-11 had the same effect that Pearl Harbour had on the general public, it simply ensured that the people would support the Government in the unpopular act of war. A government cannot just go to war without the backing of the people as that would be political suicide. 9-11 also set the conditions for the Americans to give up their rights under the Constitution so that the Government could ‘protect’ them from dangerous terrorists. (but that is another story!)

Bin Laden did try to blow up one of the Towers before, did he not, and from "Bottom to Top" method which did not work.


Very true. Again look at the evidence. Who supplied the explosives..... the US Government through the CIA (?)! The guy was a patsy and had he actually parked the van where he should have done, the explosion would have done very serious structural damage. It may not have bought the Tower down but would have made it structurally unsound.

Surely even you can understand that if you remove the central support columns at the bottom in a building constructed on the tube principal, then gravity and the laws of physics will implode the rest. Listen to the fire-fighters .... they heard explosions in the WTC buildings some time before they collapsed and saw the dust but no soot or the smell of aviation fuel. This was long enough before, for them to be a couple of blocks away when the first one fell.

Look at the video, the columns that had been cut, at an angle .... exactly the way you would cut beams in a controlled demolition with ‘Thermite’ or the military version ‘Thermate’, evidence of which was found all over the area. That is a bit like a figure print at a murder scene.

There was no steel left that was longer than 11m, that being about two stories and what was left was removed from the site, taken to Statton Island and loaded onto ships bound for China, within a few weeks of the incident. You normally keep evidence until after the trial ,not get rid of it before it can be examined........all that steel and virtually none of it is left. The bits that are left shows signs of ‘Thermate’ residue and the effects this cutting charge has on steel.

These fire-fighters also mention rivers and pools of molten steel. What melted the steel? Aviation fuel .... don’t think so! Even in ideal combustion conditions it does not create a high enough temperature to melt or even seriously deform steel! Look at any of the videos, black smoke indicates poor combustion, which equates to lower temperatures and to support that low temperature claim, there is one piece of video showing a survivor standing in the opening made by the aircraft waving his shirt to attract attention and black smoke is pouring out of the opening above him, so it was unlikely to have been so hot inside the building that it would melt steel. In any case, virtually all the aviation fuel (Kerosine) had either burnt outside the building on impact or as liquid fuel would have decended under gravity to lower floors through the central shafts.

So what happened with WTC7? .... It was not hit by an aircraft full of fuel and the fire fighters said the fires were minor, just a furniture fires, on two or three floors and nothing like hot enough to cause structural damage and also limited to a localised area. Then it too collapsed into its own footprint! If you look at the videos of WTC7 going down you clearly see the penthouse disappear into the structure, before the outer walls collapsed into the buildings own footprint and from the bottom of the building up. All the windows remained aligned vertically and horizontally, thus it was the bottom that was collapsing. The ‘Penthouse’ sat on top of the central columns which were the structural core of the building which says that the centre collapsed and took the rest down with it.

Then the question arises if we are to pay any attention to the "inside job" theories, who flew those planes into the buildings if not Al Qaeda and why.? Were the pilots at American and United in with the conspiracy to commit suicide by taking part in this "inside job" conspiracy.?


We don’t know what happened, that is the whole argument! But very clearly the evidence does not support the official conspiracy theory. Once it is determined beyond reasonable doubt what happened or conversely, what didn’t happen, then we may find out why and who. I have no real doubt that there were Arabs on the aircraft but, it is a fact that several of these hijackers were alive long after 9-11, so who ever was on the aircraft were not necessarily those they named.

This can only be very a relatively short response but I would suggest you look at some of the more professional opinions and you will see very clearly that there is a lot of real evidence to support a full investigation into what actually happened to the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Who did it, if it wasn’t terrorists and why, can only be determined after we know what did happen that day.


Robin Hood, you really are cruisin' for bruisin' with your above post. When I have the time, I'll respond to it. It may be a good time for you to take refuge in Sherwood Forest me thinks. :lol:
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Postby Robin Hood » Fri May 27, 2011 5:33 am

Now you can 'make my day' :wink:

They threw me out of Sherwood Forest a long time ago so, maybe I should find some where in Troodos?
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Re: 9-11

Postby denizaksulu » Fri May 27, 2011 9:45 am

Robin Hood wrote:Now you can 'make my day' :wink:

They threw me out of Sherwood Forest a long time ago so, maybe I should find some where in Troodos?


I would not advise that. The summer season is approaching. :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 30, 2011 2:44 pm

Robin Hood, it's time to put you out of your tight green tights (misery)! :lol:

In order for a murderer to commit a crime, he would need 3 things

1. Motive
2. Opportunity
3. Weapon

The question you then need to ask is, did the murderers on 9/11 have the above 3 things, and the answer is a resounding "YES". Therefore, there should be ZERO doubt as to who committed the crimes on 9/11. Anything else thrown by the "inside job" theorists are writing nothing but Fiction and raising all sorts of questions which might make a good reading, but to which they themselves do not have the answers for. At least your average Fiction writing authors of books and movie scripts also include the answers to the questions in their writings, unlike all the "inside job" Fiction writers.

The excuses given by the "inside job" theorists as to why they don't have the answers is, is because that the Government will not give them the information that they need. First of all, just because the government does not disclose all the evidence they had collected on 9/11, does not mean that they did anything wrong or that they took part in the 9/11 events. The US government will keep many findings of 9/11 a secret, just because certain information may help other future terrorist wanting to do harm to the US and her citizens, as well as information that is required in trying these criminals in US courts or military tribunals. In all honesty, if I were the US government, the question I would be asking is, if all these "inside job" theorists cannot accept at face value as to what happened on 9/11 in broad daylight, then they are likely to get even more confused if we gave them more information. A little knowledge can be very dangerous with some people. They will just start asking more questions. That is the nature of a conspiracy theorists. That's how they make their money from all the suckers who buy into their Fictitious stories with all sorts of questions, but without answers.

Now, lets get to your post.


Robin Hood wrote:Delighted to! Although you will find all this in infinite detail on sites such as ‘Pilots for 9-11 Truth’ and ‘Architects for 9-11 Truth’ and neither site makes any claims as to who or why, just plain simple facts that show that what we were told happened that day was not supported by the evidence. These are the questions any rational observer that took the trouble to find out more, would be asking. No little green men, holograms, Irish munchkins on either of these sites just fact and informed opinion!


Like I said, Fiction writers without answers to their own questions. Not very creative, but hey, as long as the suckers buy into it, they are making money from it.

Robin Hood wrote:If this is how you saw the events on 9-11, it is no wonder you have difficulty separating reality from illution.


What I saw was the reality, which means that I know that what a magician does in a trick and not magic. You on the other hand believe the magician is performing magic and is trying to figure out how the magic was done. It is not surprising you can't get the answers since it is not magic, but a trick. If you accept that the magician performed is a trick, then you too might be able to get the answers as to what the magician is going, which is a trick, that can be explained very simply by those who know how the trick was done.

Robin Hood wrote:You would still have needed to get into the buildings, whether it was a daylight or night operation. So it would have made very little difference except that a simple night explosion would have started a major investigation and the residue of explosives, only available to the military would have been evident and that would raise official questions; whereas a couple of aircraft crashing into the towers was very visible and set the scene as it was obvious to everybody that it was a terrorist attack using hijacked aircraft that bought the buildings down and killed three thousand people ............or apparently so, if you don’t look too closely and don’t ask too many embarrassing questions.


Now this is where your whole argument falls apart. Basically what you are saying is, that the Twin Towers could not have been blown during the night, because, explosives would still needed to be brought into the building in secrecy and be wired up almost floor by floor in order to bring the towers down from Top to Bottom fashion to coincide with the damage done to the towers by the planes. Therefore, the explosives needed to be brought into the buildings AFTER the planes struck and wired to the buildings floor by floor, so to have the complete destruction of the buildings sometime after the planes struck, just because they knew the planes were coming to hit the towers that morning, so they were all waiting to enter the buildings with the explosives as soon as the planes struck. Really.? So what you are saying is, demolition experts climbed up the stairs all the way to the floors (77th in the South Tower and 93rd in the North Tower) where the planes struck and started placing explosives floor by floor, all awhile ALL the people who were in the buildings below where the planes struck, were in a hurry to run down the stairs since elevators were out of action more than likely. The explosives couldn't have been placed in the buildings in advance, because the would have all been set off in a chain reaction as soon as the planes struck the buildings, which would have brought the towers down way too early, which would have raised suspicions as to why the buildings came down with a lot of explosives going off left, right and center. That's some imagination and fictitious thinking on the "inside job" theorists, don't you think.?

But it doesn't end there, because the South Tower which was struck second by the planes, came down an hour after it was struck and almost an hour earlier than the North Tower, which was struck first. So how did these imaginary explosives experts managed to get up the South Tower to place the explosives all the way up to the 77th floor and 93rd floor in the North Tower and placing explosives at every 11 meters of every steel column in the building, since you are claiming no steel columns were found that were longer than 11meters, because you claimed that ONLY a certain kind of military explosives could cut through these steel beams at such an angle. So there had to be hundreds of explosive experts placing hundreds of explosives onto hundreds of steel beams at 11 meters apart while people were vacating the buildings to save their lives. All this done in an hour in the South Tower and about 1.5 hours in the North Tower. Are you for real.?? Really??

But it gets even better. You are making the argument that in order for the US to attack Iraq for the oil, they needed to have the towers come down in order to get public support for a war (false flag operation), so what you are saying is, that just the planes hitting the towers and the pentagon would not have generated enough public outcry for revenge if the towers did not come down. The citizens would have said, "hey, the towers are still standing despite killing thousands, though the towers won't be able to be used again, because it might just fall anytime, therefore we do not support the US going to war in Afghanistan or Iraq". Is this what you are saying.? Really.? That's just like saying, had the USS Arizona was not sunk with almost ALL crew on board at Pearl Harbour in 1941, the US would have never went to war against Japan. Really? You believe just the bombing of the harbour or the planes being flown into the Twin Towers would not have been enough, and that the buildings needed to come down to justify the reasons to go to war. Really? I guess you also think that it was an "inside job" to sink the USS Arizona to generate enough hate for the Japanese to go to war....Really?

You ask what happened to WT7 building that it came down several hours later. First of all, I really don't care what happened to WT7, because nobody died in that building. Chances are, it suffered enough damage from the fire to buckle the steel beams, or damage to its main support structure from the tons of debris that came down with the Twin Towers, spreading outwards once hitting the ground at a very high speed, spreading like an upside down mushroom striking anything in it's path close to where the Twin Towers once stood. If the WT/ had enough damage done to it and was no longer safe, it doesn't matter if i9t fell on it's own, or that explosives were used to bring it down. It does appear to come down from Bottom to Top movement, which indicates that the main supports for the WT7 building gave way for it to collapse, unlike the Twin Towers, which had the opposite effect, which was from Top to Bottom movement. The steel beams did not ALL have to have melted for the towers to comedown. They only needed to buckle under intense heat from the fires of Jet Fuel and the sheer weight of the building above where the planes struck, pushing downwards. The Gravitational Forces did the rest to bring the buildings down. Very simple really.

As for some of the hijackers being discovered to be "alive" after the fact, which I have not heard off, but assuming it is the truth, it is not uncommon to for those from Middle East to have names that are so close to each other when written or spoken. It would be easy to misspell such names, which would accuse the wrong person who may have a very similar names with a missing or added letters to the names. Why do you think thousands of innocent people around the world are placed on the "No Fly List" by the US who cannot fly, because their names are very similar if not the same as the real terrorist. Even Ted Kennedy was once on this list if I'm not mistaken, therefore lets not get to carried away with such claims.

Of the 3000 people that dies that morning, they were from 70 different countries, and if these 70 countries are not accusing the US of an "inside job" or neither are the families of the 3000 not suing the US for killing their loved ones due to "inside job", which would have involved thousands of people to conspire together to pull the 9/11 off and blame the terrorist instead, why would I want to believe bunch of "inside job" theorists who who not even have answers to their own questions. Only an idiot who would check their Common Sense at the door before walking into the "inside job" conspiracy theories would believe such far fetches Fiction.

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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 30, 2011 3:11 pm

4. VICTIM :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 30, 2011 3:17 pm

denizaksulu wrote:4. VICTIM :lol:


Quite! :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon May 30, 2011 3:56 pm

Kikapu wrote:Robin Hood, it's time to put you out of your tight green tights (misery)! :lol:

In order for a murderer to commit a crime, he would need 3 things

1. Motive
2. Opportunity
3. Weapon

The question you then need to ask is, did the murderers on 9/11 have the above 3 things, and the answer is a resounding "YES". Therefore, there should be ZERO doubt as to who committed the crimes on 9/11. Anything else thrown by the "inside job" theorists are writing nothing but Fiction and raising all sorts of questions which might make a good reading, but to which they themselves do not have the answers for. At least your average Fiction writing authors of books and movie scripts also include the answers to the questions in their writings, unlike all the "inside job" Fiction writers.

The excuses given by the "inside job" theorists as to why they don't have the answers is, is because that the Government will not give them the information that they need. First of all, just because the government does not disclose all the evidence they had collected on 9/11, does not mean that they did anything wrong or that they took part in the 9/11 events. The US government will keep many findings of 9/11 a secret, just because certain information may help other future terrorist wanting to do harm to the US and her citizens, as well as information that is required in trying these criminals in US courts or military tribunals. In all honesty, if I were the US government, the question I would be asking is, if all these "inside job" theorists cannot accept at face value as to what happened on 9/11 in broad daylight, then they are likely to get even more confused if we gave them more information. A little knowledge can be very dangerous with some people. They will just start asking more questions. That is the nature of a conspiracy theorists. That's how they make their money from all the suckers who buy into their Fictitious stories with all sorts of questions, but without answers.

Now, lets get to your post.


Robin Hood wrote:Delighted to! Although you will find all this in infinite detail on sites such as ‘Pilots for 9-11 Truth’ and ‘Architects for 9-11 Truth’ and neither site makes any claims as to who or why, just plain simple facts that show that what we were told happened that day was not supported by the evidence. These are the questions any rational observer that took the trouble to find out more, would be asking. No little green men, holograms, Irish munchkins on either of these sites just fact and informed opinion!


Like I said, Fiction writers without answers to their own questions. Not very creative, but hey, as long as the suckers buy into it, they are making money from it.

Robin Hood wrote:If this is how you saw the events on 9-11, it is no wonder you have difficulty separating reality from illution.


What I saw was the reality, which means that I know that what a magician does in a trick and not magic. You on the other hand believe the magician is performing magic and is trying to figure out how the magic was done. It is not surprising you can't get the answers since it is not magic, but a trick. If you accept that the magician performed is a trick, then you too might be able to get the answers as to what the magician is going, which is a trick, that can be explained very simply by those who know how the trick was done.

Robin Hood wrote:You would still have needed to get into the buildings, whether it was a daylight or night operation. So it would have made very little difference except that a simple night explosion would have started a major investigation and the residue of explosives, only available to the military would have been evident and that would raise official questions; whereas a couple of aircraft crashing into the towers was very visible and set the scene as it was obvious to everybody that it was a terrorist attack using hijacked aircraft that bought the buildings down and killed three thousand people ............or apparently so, if you don’t look too closely and don’t ask too many embarrassing questions.


Now this is where your whole argument falls apart. Basically what you are saying is, that the Twin Towers could not have been blown during the night, because, explosives would still needed to be brought into the building in secrecy and be wired up almost floor by floor in order to bring the towers down from Top to Bottom fashion to coincide with the damage done to the towers by the planes. Therefore, the explosives needed to be brought into the buildings AFTER the planes struck and wired to the buildings floor by floor, so to have the complete destruction of the buildings sometime after the planes struck, just because they knew the planes were coming to hit the towers that morning, so they were all waiting to enter the buildings with the explosives as soon as the planes struck. Really.? So what you are saying is, demolition experts climbed up the stairs all the way to the floors (77th in the South Tower and 93rd in the North Tower) where the planes struck and started placing explosives floor by floor, all awhile ALL the people who were in the buildings below where the planes struck, were in a hurry to run down the stairs since elevators were out of action more than likely. The explosives couldn't have been placed in the buildings in advance, because the would have all been set off in a chain reaction as soon as the planes struck the buildings, which would have brought the towers down way too early, which would have raised suspicions as to why the buildings came down with a lot of explosives going off left, right and center. That's some imagination and fictitious thinking on the "inside job" theorists, don't you think.?

But it doesn't end there, because the South Tower which was struck second by the planes, came down an hour after it was struck and almost an hour earlier than the North Tower, which was struck first. So how did these imaginary explosives experts managed to get up the South Tower to place the explosives all the way up to the 77th floor and 93rd floor in the North Tower and placing explosives at every 11 meters of every steel column in the building, since you are claiming no steel columns were found that were longer than 11meters, because you claimed that ONLY a certain kind of military explosives could cut through these steel beams at such an angle. So there had to be hundreds of explosive experts placing hundreds of explosives onto hundreds of steel beams at 11 meters apart while people were vacating the buildings to save their lives. All this done in an hour in the South Tower and about 1.5 hours in the North Tower. Are you for real.?? Really??

But it gets even better. You are making the argument that in order for the US to attack Iraq for the oil, they needed to have the towers come down in order to get public support for a war (false flag operation), so what you are saying is, that just the planes hitting the towers and the pentagon would not have generated enough public outcry for revenge if the towers did not come down. The citizens would have said, "hey, the towers are still standing despite killing thousands, though the towers won't be able to be used again, because it might just fall anytime, therefore we do not support the US going to war in Afghanistan or Iraq". Is this what you are saying.? Really.? That's just like saying, had the USS Arizona was not sunk with almost ALL crew on board at Pearl Harbour in 1941, the US would have never went to war against Japan. Really? You believe just the bombing of the harbour or the planes being flown into the Twin Towers would not have been enough, and that the buildings needed to come down to justify the reasons to go to war. Really? I guess you also think that it was an "inside job" to sink the USS Arizona to generate enough hate for the Japanese to go to war....Really?

You ask what happened to WT7 building that it came down several hours later. First of all, I really don't care what happened to WT7, because nobody died in that building. Chances are, it suffered enough damage from the fire to buckle the steel beams, or damage to its main support structure from the tons of debris that came down with the Twin Towers, spreading outwards once hitting the ground at a very high speed, spreading like an upside down mushroom striking anything in it's path close to where the Twin Towers once stood. If the WT/ had enough damage done to it and was no longer safe, it doesn't matter if i9t fell on it's own, or that explosives were used to bring it down. It does appear to come down from Bottom to Top movement, which indicates that the main supports for the WT7 building gave way for it to collapse, unlike the Twin Towers, which had the opposite effect, which was from Top to Bottom movement. The steel beams did not ALL have to have melted for the towers to comedown. They only needed to buckle under intense heat from the fires of Jet Fuel and the sheer weight of the building above where the planes struck, pushing downwards. The Gravitational Forces did the rest to bring the buildings down. Very simple really.

As for some of the hijackers being discovered to be "alive" after the fact, which I have not heard off, but assuming it is the truth, it is not uncommon to for those from Middle East to have names that are so close to each other when written or spoken. It would be easy to misspell such names, which would accuse the wrong person who may have a very similar names with a missing or added letters to the names. Why do you think thousands of innocent people around the world are placed on the "No Fly List" by the US who cannot fly, because their names are very similar if not the same as the real terrorist. Even Ted Kennedy was once on this list if I'm not mistaken, therefore lets not get to carried away with such claims.

Of the 3000 people that dies that morning, they were from 70 different countries, and if these 70 countries are not accusing the US of an "inside job" or neither are the families of the 3000 not suing the US for killing their loved ones due to "inside job", which would have involved thousands of people to conspire together to pull the 9/11 off and blame the terrorist instead, why would I want to believe bunch of "inside job" theorists who who not even have answers to their own questions. Only an idiot who would check their Common Sense at the door before walking into the "inside job" conspiracy theories would believe such far fetches Fiction.

CASE CLOSED!


Nice post Kiks. Thanks a lot!
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