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[PEACE]

Saying that Cyprus is my country is something extreme????

You want to mean its your country but its not ours also! Why don't you say "OUR"?

You demonstrations were for EU money and not for peace. Or you suddenly remembered peace after 30 years?

You can beleive anything you want Piratis,its NOT my business OK?

No,we didn't remember peace after 30 years but Annan Plan was really balanced solution so we supported it with majority!

[Piratis]

You want to mean its your country but its not ours also! Why don't you say "OUR"?

What are you talking about? I said "my" country. I didn't said mine exclusively!!!
When you refer to Cyprus you don't say "my Country"???

No,we didn't remember peace after 30 years but Annan Plan was really balanced solution so we supported it with majority

Annan plan was a partition plan giving you almost everything you wanted.

[PEACE]

No, it is your choice because you occupy part of my country.

If this country is mine too so how can we occupy it? As you know we are not the ones who have 35.000 soldiers in North and the ones who has power and governing authority.

[erolz]

Or you suddenly remembered peace after 30 years?

Like you remembered human rights, only after you lost something? Where was this passionate belief in human rights in 63-74? Did YOU personaly do ANYTHING to try and stop human rights abuses against TC in that period?

[Piratis]

Like you remembered human rights, only after you lost something? Where was this passionate belief in human rights in 63-74? Did YOU personaly do ANYTHING to try and stop human rights abuses against TC in that period?

Personally I was not born at that period. I accept that during the period you mentioned human rights violations were mostly (but not exclusively) against TCs. But as I said several times, we suffered a lot more than Turks than the other way around during history. So can you put a stop at this finally?
I contemn ANY kind of human right violation, and if there was a way to compensate all people whose human rights were violated I would agree 100% to it.

[erolz]

Like you remembered human rights, only after you lost something? Where was this passionate belief in human rights in 63-74? Did YOU personaly do ANYTHING to try and stop human rights abuses against TC in that period?

Personally I was not born at that period. I accept that during the period you mentioned human rights violations were mostly (but not exclusively) against TCs. But as I said several times, we suffered a lot more than Turks than the other way around during history. So can you put a stop at this finally?

So can you understand a certain degree of 'cynisim' from TC towards GC that profess a love and passion for the primacy of human rights above everything else? Can you understand that GC 'lecturing' TC on human rights and talking only of their loss of human rights after 74 is 'provocative' in its very nature? You agree that any settlement should not just seek to return or compensate GC for that which they lost and suffered after 74, but also TC for that which they lost and suffered from 63-74?

[Piratis]

So can you understand a certain degree of 'cynisim' from TC towards GC that profess a love and passion for the primacy of human rights above everything else? Can you understand that GC 'lecturing' TC on human rights and talking only of their loss of human rights after 74 is 'provocative' in its very nature?

I could understand if I was I Grivas, or somebody from EOKA-B that was killing TCs and now I come to teach you about human rights. But I am not! I am innocent! And I do not accept to be punished because some others at some other times did something bad to you. If we start like this, then we will blame you for 74, you will blame us for 63, we will blame you for the Ottoman rule etc. Whats the point of this?
When the occupation of Cyprus ends I am ready to forgive everything, not only to TCs, but even to Turks. Is this so hard for you to do?

You agree that any settlement should not just seek to return or compensate GC for that which they lost and suffered after 74, but also TC for that which they lost and suffered from 63-74?

sounds fair.

[erolz]

I could understand if I was I Grivas, or somebody from EOKA-B that was killing TCs and now I come to teach you about human rights.

Or Papadopolus? What did HE care for human rights of TC in the period 63-74? Does he not now want to teach us TC about human rights?

[Piratis]

I don't think Papdopoulos killed or abused the human rights of anybody.

If he did, then there are courts, EU courts now also. If you think that some individuals harmed you, then those individuals can be punished. But you can not punish the whole community.
As I said before, we need to forgive, and look ahead. The same way we shouldn't use 74 and the 30 years of occupation as an excuse to harm TCs after the solution, TC should not use 63-74 as an excuse to harm us. Otherwise we will keep harming each other. We should stop this somewhere, right?

[erolz]

I don't think Papdopoulos killed or abused the human rights of anybody.

If he did, then there are courts, EU courts now also. If you think that some individuals harmed you, then those individuals can be punished. But you can not punish the whole community.
As I said before, we need to forgive, and look ahead. The same way we shouldn't use 74 and the 30 years of occupation as an excuse to harm TCs after the solution, TC should not use 63-74 as an excuse to harm us. Otherwise we will keep harming each other. We should stop this somewhere, right?

You have moved the goalposts a bit now. Even if Papdopoulos did not kill or abuse any TC human rights (which is arguable from what I know of his history) - the point I was making was - if he did nothing to protect TC from human rights abuses, or to try and stop those abusing TC rights in the period 63-74, then it is a bit 'rich' for him to decided that human rights are now paramount (now that he has _lost_ something). I would be more willing to listen to lectures on human rights from him if he had done anything about the abuses when he was not the victim, or showed any sign that he cared about human rights in that period. That was my point.

I have never said we should use historic atrocites as an excuse to harm each other now, and to imply I have said so is a gross misrepresentation of what I said in my opinion. Of course we need to stop somewhere. We should never have started. However that does not mean I will not remain cynical of GC protestations of the supreme importance and supremacy of human rights above anything else, when those GC did NOTHING to protect TC human rights and gave NO inidcation of concern for human rights before they themselves were victims. Now do you see the point I am making?