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Re: greek mess

Postby kimon07 » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:09 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:From an Email I got passed on as is and so far without reading the attachements: the distribution of this message does not signify agreement with the views of the author or of of the authors of artlcles linked herein.
halc wrote:Yesterday, all eyes were on Greece as voters went to the polls for a second time in as many months to try and find a way out of their national crisis. It seems like everyone has an opinion on yesterday's results, but we wanted to bring you four must-read articles that summarize the situation and set the record straight.

In "The Hour of Europe," I examine the need for a cohesive European strategy to address not just Greece but the entire European crisis. Read the piece here.
http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=imXT7CQTJJIjpi%2FUDDp7zPi8r6eslIGS
HALC's Managing Director Georgia Logothetis provides an overview of what happened yesterday and argues that the election did little to provide Greeks with what they deserve: a real path forward. Read her piece, "Greece's Purgatory," here.
http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=pe6SLFP42uPzcaBVVnpxS%2Fi8r6eslIGS
Nobel prize winning economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman smashes myths about "lazy Greeks" and takes a critical eye at who's really to blame for Greece's situation. Read his piece, "Greece the Victim," here. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/opinion/krugman-greece-as-victim.htmlMSNBC producer John Schoen puts the results into perspective, arguing that all they did was buy time. Read his analysis here.
http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=uL%2FFgFFEjiwGZikGV8Lwgvi8r6eslIGS
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I received it also and I was preparing to post it under the "Eurozone Mess" :P
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Re: greek mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:28 am

kimon07 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:From an Email I got passed on as is and so far without reading the attachements: the distribution of this message does not signify agreement with the views of the author or of of the authors of artlcles linked herein.
halc wrote:Yesterday, all eyes were on Greece as voters went to the polls for a second time in as many months to try and find a way out of their national crisis. It seems like everyone has an opinion on yesterday's results, but we wanted to bring you four must-read articles that summarize the situation and set the record straight.

In "The Hour of Europe," I examine the need for a cohesive European strategy to address not just Greece but the entire European crisis. Read the piece here.
http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=imXT7CQTJJIjpi%2FUDDp7zPi8r6eslIGS
HALC's Managing Director Georgia Logothetis provides an overview of what happened yesterday and argues that the election did little to provide Greeks with what they deserve: a real path forward. Read her piece, "Greece's Purgatory," here.
http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=pe6SLFP42uPzcaBVVnpxS%2Fi8r6eslIGS
Nobel prize winning economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman smashes myths about "lazy Greeks" and takes a critical eye at who's really to blame for Greece's situation. Read his piece, "Greece the Victim," here. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/opinion/krugman-greece-as-victim.htmlMSNBC producer John Schoen puts the results into perspective, arguing that all they did was buy time. Read his analysis here.
http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=uL%2FFgFFEjiwGZikGV8Lwgvi8r6eslIGS
To help us educate others about what the election meant for Greece and for the world, please share this email with your friends and family.



I received it also and I was preparing to post it under the "Eurozone Mess" :P


Yes it would also go there too. The problem is withthe whole Euro experiment where the "one size" of Currency probbaly fits no one very well.
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Re: greek mess

Postby wyoming cowboy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:11 am

....there is no reasoning with these anti Greek knuckleheads, what they watch on the news cnn,bbc etc...they gobble it up and then come on this forum to throw up on Greece......blah blah blah ....
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Re: greek mess

Postby boomerang » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:08 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:....there is no reasoning with these anti Greek knuckleheads, what they watch on the news cnn,bbc etc...they gobble it up and then come on this forum to throw up on Greece......blah blah blah ....

you think greek profligacy obviously has nothing to do with it huh...

just wake me up when you have a headline saying greece seeks its 45th bailout please, which should be due around september 2014...

all i've got to say is, hurry up spain...at this rate, greece will gulp the bailout money before you even get your application in...and before cnn, nbc, bbc, etc get a hold of the story... :lol:
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Re: greek mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:59 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kimon07 wrote:A very interesting article.

On the Relevance of Democracy


2012/05/21

ATHENS/BERLIN

(Own report) - In the run-up to new elections in Greece, the German elite is discussing various scenarios involving the use of force to ensure control over Athens, including the establishment of a protectorate or the deployment of "protection forces" in that southern European country. The German austerity dictate, pushing Greece into destitution, is provoking growing popular resistance, which, apparently, can no longer be suppressed with democratic means. Berlin has failed in its efforts to force Athens into subordination by threatening to withdraw the Euro, as much as with its demand that Greece combines its parliamentary elections with a referendum on the question of remaining in the Euro zone. Berlin categorically rejects the option of retracting the austerity dictate and replacing it with stimulus programs, as is being demanded by leading economists world wide, even though the exclusion of Greece form the Euro zone threatens to push the currency, itself, into an abyss.

Read more:

http://german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58304


Next step; the Germans will reignite the Gas Chambers ...


I call Godwin's Law... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thread ruined by GIG.... :x


I have just had a look at the History Intro to the site Kimom07 posted - substitute Greek for German and Ethnos for Volk and I think it quite well describes the historical position of Greece and its current Megalist agents, the Enosis loving Athenocentric Greek Wanabees.


No substitutes needed - you were the thread Hitler demon that Cyprusgrump missed out. Instead of an apology to me, he decided to beat a hasty retreat ... till you brought it up again! :D
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Re: greek mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:51 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:....there is no reasoning with these anti Greek knuckleheads, what they watch on the news cnn,bbc etc...they gobble it up and then come on this forum to throw up on Greece......blah blah blah ....


The intersting point is that both Kimon07, who is certainly no anti-Greek knucklehead, and I , despite orur sometimes strong differences in view, both think the Hellenic American leadership Council's comments are worth posting.
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Re: greek mess

Postby wyoming cowboy » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:48 am

......"The only way the euro might — might — be saved is if the Germans and the European Central Bank realize that they’re the ones who need to change their behavior, spending more and, yes, accepting higher inflation. If not — well, Greece will basically go down in history as the victim of other people’s hubris."


The Germans are to blame for the prolonged state of this economic crisis, follow the example of "Uncle Sam", devalue and hedge on natural resources to blunt the effects of inflation and a weak currency, which will also help to stimulate the economy. The Germans have been desperately trying to avoid the unavoidable.

One question,
Since most of you live in Europe, has anyone noticed signs stating "We buy gold" and approx. how long have they been up?

The reason im asking is because 2 weeks after the crisis hit, in 2008/2009, signs of "We buy Gold" went up everywhere at pawn shops and private businesses.This gold was melted down into bullion, since its illegal here in the usa for a citizen/corporation to own gold bullion bars, i assumed the gold was being bought by the government with just printed new currency.....this may be happening in europe also.
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Re: greek mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:38 am

Yes I saw one near the Roundabout at the Larnaca end of the Larnaca-Limassol Highway: Not sure how long it had been there but I noticed it for the first time a few days back.
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Re: greek mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:47 am

All over the UK too - adverts on TV for the last couple of years. Leaflets through the doors - gold wanted, any condition. And shops opening up buying gold where the recession has forced the closure of regular shops.

Didn't notice any in Cyprus and I've been there a lot over the last few months - plus visited a few jewelers :D - only one I recall had a sign to buy gold (in Pano Paphos). But it was a normal jeweler.
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Re: greek mess

Postby B25 » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:27 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:All over the UK too - adverts on TV for the last couple of years. Leaflets through the doors - gold wanted, any condition. And shops opening up buying gold where the recession has forced the closure of regular shops.

Didn't notice any in Cyprus and I've been there a lot over the last few months - plus visited a few jewelers :D - only one I recall had a sign to buy gold (in Pano Paphos). But it was a normal jeweler.


They are all over in cyprus, signs everywhere, cubbyhole shops open just to buy the gold.

Seems people feel safe with their money in gold these days!
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