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[GreekIslandGirl]

Anyway, it seems the Greek calls to follow growth have been accepted by the G8 (boo hoo banker Cameron!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18135042

Would be nice if some others joined in with the "painful sacrifices" rather than just rely on Greece to get everyone out of the mess the over-'wealthy', big economies have created!

''Of course, we recognize the painful sacrifices that the Greek people are making at this difficult time..." Obama

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2012/05/159045.html

[Nikitas]

It will be interesting to see if Greeks are going to fall prey to another demagogue in 2012 as they did in 1981. Remember the slogans back then- EOK and NATO the same club, out with the bases of death etc. As soon as Papandreou won the election he renewed the base agreement for 10 years and now, nearly 40 years later the Americans are safely ensconced in Souda Bay.

Tsipras touted the unilateral repudiation of the austerity programme. When the EU, including fellow leftist Ollande, said no go, he changed it into "mutally agreed renegotiation" of the package. Meanwhile his lieutenants are confusing the issue, some supporting unilateral repudiation, others renegotiation, others open debt default, and others exiting the Euro and return to the drachma. Realise that all this is happening in the space of 10 days!

Syriza, the Tsipras "party", is not a political party, it is a coalition of leftist cum ecological groupings of diverse ideologies and political theories, from maoist to leninist to trotskyists to radical ecologists. A pinko left mish mash that does not contain a single person with experience in government.

If they win and manage to form a government it will provide the most interesting journalistic copy! We already have a new word in describing these quick political about faces: colotoumba, meaning on the spot somersault. Tsipras has been ranked as the No 1 colotoumbas, a title that he is bent on justifying with every new statement he makes.

[supporttheunderdog]

Now everyone also seems to concede that Greece will exit the Euro:

No one of any worth or significance in the EU concedes such a thing - only the muck-spreader HFM/bankers and propaganda merchants who are trying to fulfill their doomsday prophecies by repetition of this well-worn woe are once again, and again, and again churning out this tired prediction.

Heard it all before. Hear it every few months. Heard it year in year out now. Have I told you how many times I've heard this already?

Well, Greece is in it to win it!

Well GIG it seems the Greman Finance Minisiter is supposedly proposing it, to EU officials, unless the Greeks follow the austerity package plans.

At a meeting of EU officials 11 days ago Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister, told his audience that after the success of anti-austerity parties in the first Greek election, contingency plans were being drawn up for Greece to leave the euro. “He horrified his audience by saying that, unless the Greeks toed the line, life would be made so unpleasant for that Greece would be left with no option but to ask to leave,” said one EU source.

Mr Schäuble suggested cutting off the EU financing on which Greece depends to prevent it going bankrupt, thus pushing it into default and out of the euro.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... party.html

Hello - this is a not a quote from the German Finance Minister.

This is exactly what I told you about the nonsense and propaganda of which you are a prime victim and spreader!

The German Finance Minister said no such thing! Typical irresponsible telegraph journalism spread by anti-Greeks like you.

You are in denial - a psychological problem, normally.

Personally I hope the EZ survives with Greece in it, because the consequences of a Euro collapse are likely to be a disaster for Cyprus and the rest of the EU.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Now everyone also seems to concede that Greece will exit the Euro:

No one of any worth or significance in the EU concedes such a thing - only the muck-spreader HFM/bankers and propaganda merchants who are trying to fulfill their doomsday prophecies by repetition of this well-worn woe are once again, and again, and again churning out this tired prediction.

Heard it all before. Hear it every few months. Heard it year in year out now. Have I told you how many times I've heard this already?

Well, Greece is in it to win it!

Well GIG it seems the Greman Finance Minisiter is supposedly proposing it, to EU officials, unless the Greeks follow the austerity package plans.

At a meeting of EU officials 11 days ago Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister, told his audience that after the success of anti-austerity parties in the first Greek election, contingency plans were being drawn up for Greece to leave the euro. “He horrified his audience by saying that, unless the Greeks toed the line, life would be made so unpleasant for that Greece would be left with no option but to ask to leave,” said one EU source.

Mr Schäuble suggested cutting off the EU financing on which Greece depends to prevent it going bankrupt, thus pushing it into default and out of the euro.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... party.html

Hello - this is a not a quote from the German Finance Minister.

This is exactly what I told you about the nonsense and propaganda of which you are a prime victim and spreader!

The German Finance Minister said no such thing! Typical irresponsible telegraph journalism spread by anti-Greeks like you.

You are in denial - a psychological problem, normally.

Personally I hope the EZ survives with Greece in it, because the consequences of a Euro collapse are likely to be a disaster for Cyprus and the rest of the EU.

It seems it's you who is in denial that you are another cog in the propaganda and nonsense spreading wheels, as we demonstrated above with your insinuation. If you truly care about Cyprus (or your financial investment more likely ), then stop spreading anti-Greek propaganda as anything that harms Greece invariably harms Cyprus.

[supporttheunderdog]

There is an old saying - do not shoot the messanger - You otherwise give me credit for influence I do not have as I doubt anything I say passing on what others say will have much effect on any one, least of the *ankers and politicians in Greece or elswhere in the EU who will take the decisions. The so-called propaganda is there for all to read without me distrubuting it in this forum, to counter your pro-greek fetish.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Don't promote yourself to messenger. You are just a semi-literate purveyor of propaganda. Your inability to understand even what you provide yourself as evidence should humiliate you into oblivion but for the fact people like VP support your anti-Greek (therefore anti-Cypriot) lies.

[observer]

Greece should never have been allowed into the Euro. This is a financial, not a political, view. The difference between the Greek economy and that of Germany is so great that they can not use the same economic strategies.

Even if the problem is solved this time, it will reoccur. You can not have monetary union without fiscal union. You can not have fiscal union without political union. Greece would never accept political union as it would mean being dominated by Germany. Germany would never accept political union accompanied by endless payments to industrial and economically weaker countries like Greece.

[kimon07]

It will be interesting to see if Greeks are going to fall prey to another demagogue in 2012 as they did in 1981. ....
..........
Tsipras touted the unilateral repudiation of the austerity programme. When the EU, including fellow leftist Ollande, said no go, he changed it into "mutally agreed renegotiation" of the package. Meanwhile his lieutenants are confusing the issue, some supporting unilateral repudiation, others renegotiation, others open debt default, and others exiting the Euro and return to the drachma. Realise that all this is happening in the space of 10 days!
Syriza, the Tsipras "party", is not a political party, it is a coalition of leftist cum ecological groupings of diverse ideologies and political theories, from maoist to leninist to trotskyists to radical ecologists. A pinko left mish mash that does not contain a single person with experience in government.........

Ah! But they all have a common goal: To de-Hellenize Greece. To turn it into a multi national/multi cultural/multi-religious mess, where in about five yars from now, 5 million Asian and African Muslims will be entitled to stay, live, multiply, AND VOTE. Not to mention of the treasonous stance they take in respect to the national issues of the country (Macedonia, Greco-Turkish relations, even Cyprus. Remember, all leftist and Syriza scum supported strongly the Annan Plan for Cyprus.

Me Ed suggested in the thread about the Golden Dawn party that if the extreme right was to gain power in Greece there would be bloodshed. I say the bloodshed will be unavoidable if Tsipras and his likes climb to power.

[kimon07]

It will be interesting to see if Greeks are going to fall prey to another demagogue in 2012 as they did in 1981. ....
..........
Tsipras touted the unilateral repudiation of the austerity programme. When the EU, including fellow leftist Ollande, said no go, he changed it into "mutally agreed renegotiation" of the package. Meanwhile his lieutenants are confusing the issue, some supporting unilateral repudiation, others renegotiation, others open debt default, and others exiting the Euro and return to the drachma. Realise that all this is happening in the space of 10 days!
Syriza, the Tsipras "party", is not a political party, it is a coalition of leftist cum ecological groupings of diverse ideologies and political theories, from maoist to leninist to trotskyists to radical ecologists. A pinko left mish mash that does not contain a single person with experience in government.........

Ah! But they all have a common goal: To de-Hellenize Greece. To turn it into a multi national/multi cultural/multi-religious mess, where in about five yars from now, 5 million Asian and African Muslims will be entitled to stay, live, multiply, AND VOTE. Not to mention of the treasonous stance they take in respect to the national issues of the country (Macedonia, Greco-Turkish relations, even Cyprus. Remember, all leftist and Syriza scum supported strongly the Annan Plan for Cyprus.

No wonder the Americans started promoting him so vigorously (CNN, the Wall Street Journal etc)

[observer]

Not to mention of the treasonous stance they take in respect to the national issues of the country (Macedonia, Greco-Turkish relations, even Cyprus. Remember, all leftist and Syriza scum supported strongly the Annan Plan for Cyprus.

You mean like the rest of the EU, including the other Eurozone countries ... the USA ... The TCs ... the rest of the world through the UN?