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[Azeroglu]

As they say in Turkish, siz bir yana, biz bir yana...you to one side, we to the other...Contrary to popular belief, distance is a good way to maintain a friendship...in other words, stay out of my backyard and we will be good neighbors. There can only be a two state solution. One cannot make a single nation out of two totally diverse peoples...Greeks and Turks can no longer live together side by side, and cannot form a single nation any more than Israelis and Palestinians can. The TRNC exists, folks...deal with it! :)

[cypezokyli]

azeroglu welcome to the forum.

how many gcs did you meet? are u sure that we are so different?

One cannot make a single nation out of two totally diverse peoples...Greeks and Turks can no longer live together side by side, and cannot form a single nation any more than Israelis and Palestinians can.

are u sure?
it works just fine in canada, belgium, switzerland. ....
all it needs its some effort.

Greeks and Turks can no longer live together side by side

they dont at the time being. yet, we hope to convince them otherwise

[Piratis]

Contrary to popular belief, distance is a good way to maintain a friendship...in other words, stay out of my backyard and we will be good neighbors.

No dude. YOU stay out from our homes and then we will be good neighbors. If you want distance then move to another country. You can not keep other away from their homes because you want distance!

There can only be a two state solution.

No it can not.

The TRNC exists, folks...deal with it!

What we deal with is the occupation. Be sure that we will deal with it as good as we can and you will lose more than us.

[Viewpoint]

Contrary to popular belief, distance is a good way to maintain a friendship...in other words, stay out of my backyard and we will be good neighbors.

No dude. YOU stay out from our homes and then we will be good neighbors. If you want distance then move to another country. You can not keep other away from their homes because you want distance!

There can only be a two state solution.

No it can not.

The TRNC exists, folks...deal with it!

What we deal with is the occupation. Be sure that we will deal with it as good as we can and you will lose more than us.

Piratis what if,

1. we agreed land distribution after an independent assesment.

2. those that did not get their property back got full compensation.

3. You continue as "RoC" and we as the TRNC.

would this solve the issue??

[Kifeas]

Contrary to popular belief, distance is a good way to maintain a friendship...in other words, stay out of my backyard and we will be good neighbors.

No dude. YOU stay out from our homes and then we will be good neighbors. If you want distance then move to another country. You can not keep other away from their homes because you want distance!

There can only be a two state solution.

No it can not.

The TRNC exists, folks...deal with it!

What we deal with is the occupation. Be sure that we will deal with it as good as we can and you will lose more than us.

Piratis what if,

1. we agreed land distribution after an independent assesment.

2. those that did not get their property back got full compensation.

3. You continue as "RoC" and we as the TRNC.

would this solve the issue??

I have another proposal

1. The Turkish occupying troops get the hell out of here and the country becomes one entity again as it was for the last 8,000 years.
2. Those who regard themselves as Cypriots stay in Cyprus and get their properties or voluntary sell them in one location and buy in another location, if they so wish.
3. Those who do not regard themselves as Cypriots, they sell all their properties and go to another country or to hell or, stay in Cyprus as guests without any political rights but more importantly shut up.

would this solve the issue??

[Kifeas]

As they say in Turkish, siz bir yana, biz bir yana...you to one side, we to the other...Contrary to popular belief, distance is a good way to maintain a friendship...in other words, stay out of my backyard and we will be good neighbors. There can only be a two state solution. One cannot make a single nation out of two totally diverse peoples...Greeks and Turks can no longer live together side by side, and cannot form a single nation any more than Israelis and Palestinians can. The TRNC exists, folks...deal with it!

Azeroglanoglu!
When you bring a Cyprus from your home, then you are entitled to speak about it and /or do whatever you want with it.
This country doesn't belong to you; you are not a Cypriot; therefore shut up!

[Viewpoint]

Contrary to popular belief, distance is a good way to maintain a friendship...in other words, stay out of my backyard and we will be good neighbors.

No dude. YOU stay out from our homes and then we will be good neighbors. If you want distance then move to another country. You can not keep other away from their homes because you want distance!

There can only be a two state solution.

No it can not.

The TRNC exists, folks...deal with it!

What we deal with is the occupation. Be sure that we will deal with it as good as we can and you will lose more than us.

Piratis what if,

1. we agreed land distribution after an independent assesment.

2. those that did not get their property back got full compensation.

3. You continue as "RoC" and we as the TRNC.

would this solve the issue??

I have another proposal

1. The Turkish occupying troops get the hell out of here and the country becomes one entity again as it was for the last 8,000 years.
2. Those who regard themselves as Cypriots stay in Cyprus and get their properties or voluntary sell them in one location and buy in another location, if they so wish.
3. Those who do not regard themselves as Cypriots, they sell all their properties and go to another country or to hell or, stay in Cyprus as guests without any political rights but more importantly shut up.

would this solve the issue??

When did you change your name to Piratis?

1. I agree the troops should go, that goes for your troops as well.
one entity that ones a bit more difficult, I want to stay on Cyprus but I dont want to live with you...

2. I regard myself as a Turkish Cypriot and will stay here forever, as for property lets return as much as possible and compensate the rest so they can buy elsewhere.

3. Agreed. on the basis that those that get their property back can sell the others will get compensation that would include you I think.

WE ARE NEARLY THERE

[Dhavlos]

I think the main reason TCs and GCs 'dont get on' in cyprus, but they do in other countries, is language more than anything.

In the UK/canada/australia, we can all communicate in english, so there is no problem knowing each other...the worst thing about cyprus is that GCs speak greek and TCs speak turkish...there is very little lee-way either way...yes they may speak english, but it is hardly a language many would feel should be part of daily cypriot life(except work etc..)

The main thing cyprus must adopt, if it wants a solution to work, is the learning of both greek and turkish to all cypriot children in school(as well as english)....then a solution imo would be easier to hold...because people can talk to each other, and would not live in 'ghettos', segregated etc....

[Dhavlos]

I think the main reason TCs and GCs 'dont get on' in cyprus, but they do in other countries, is language more than anything.

In the UK/canada/australia, we can all communicate in english, so there is no problem knowing each other...the worst thing about cyprus is that GCs speak greek and TCs speak turkish...there is very little lee-way either way...yes they may speak english, but it is hardly a language many would feel should be part of daily cypriot life(except work etc..)

The main thing cyprus must adopt, if it wants a solution to work, is the learning of both greek and turkish to all cypriot children in school(as well as english)....then a solution imo would be easier to hold...because people can talk to each other, and would not live in 'ghettos', segregated etc....

[Kifeas]

1. I agree the troops should go, that goes for your troops as well. one entity that ones a bit more difficult, I want to stay on Cyprus but I dont want to live with you...

Viewpoint!
You now have the opportunity to express all your wishes, wants and preferences. Please tell me everything you want!

If you are shy, then I will do the start first. I want to be the king and master of the Universe. I want to be God. I want to rule the entire world one day. I want to have trillions of tones of gold and zillions of pounds. I want to live one Zillion years and to always be young and healthy. I want to have a zillion of women in my service and change one every day for as long as I live.

It is your turn now! I am all ears eyes to listen and read all your wants and desires.

Viewpoint!
I did not ask you share your bedroom with me, nor your house. Of course, what I understand from what you said above, you obviously mean that do not want to live with me (GCs) in the same country. You want to have a separate country exclusively for your selves (TCs) and in which me and the other GCs cannot share and cannot live in.

Sorry Viewpoint, this cannot happen in Cyprus! Cyprus, the whole of Cyprus, is the country of the GCs. It is the country of the GCs for the last 3,500 thousand years, or better since there are written records of their existence. Of course it is also the country of the TCs. Because Cyprus if the country of the GCs, GCs have a natural right to live in their country, everywhere anywhere they choose, in their country. This is a natural, regal, moral and ethical right. It is a fundamental human right.

Now what you expressed above, namely that you do not want to live with us, is a mere preference, a desire. Your preference, your desire, your want is in direct conflict with the GC’s natural right. What you want is not a right, it is a desire or a preference, and what the GCs want is not a desire or a preference, it is a right. When a desire or a preference is in conflict with a right, then what proceeds from the two is the right. If you want your desire or preference to be fulfilled, then you can move your self in the Sahara dessert. I can assure you no GC will follow you there.

The right of the GCs to live anywhere they wish in their country doesn’t have to do with properties. This right is a natural, historical and an identity one. It is a legal and a moral right and it is not negotiable, nor a subject or a matter of compensation.

Of course, and as you have done for the last 31 years, you seem to be prepared to continue to enforce your desires and preferences. You use the force of the Turkish army in order to impose your desires against and in the expense of the GCs rights.

However this above act of yours, and I am sure you are able to understand this despite your limited abilities, provides the GCs with the legitimate right, whenever this will become feasible and once they will realise that you are not willing to ever act in a civilised and sensible manner, to prepare themselves to use the same means and methods like the ones you currently use against them for the sole purpose of enforcing your illegitimate desires in the expense of the GC’s legitimate rights.

I hope I was a bit clearer this time, although I know it is always difficult for you to understand certain things, regardless how analytically they are presented to you.