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[Paphitis]

Amnesty International comes clean…

“USA must come clean about civilian deaths caused by Coalition air strikes in Syria”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... -in-syria/

Don't worry about the agenda driven Amnesty, here are some real official links from the United Nations!

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies ... RP1_en.pdf


Meanwhile, you can also feast your eyes on the reports issued in February and June 2016.

http://www.gcint.org/wp-content/uploads ... 021216.pdf

http://www.gcint.org/wp-content/uploads ... 021216.pdf

And from the United Nations.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54795

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54752

UN Resolution 2118

http://www.un.org/press/en/2013/sc11135.doc.htm

UN Resolution 2335

http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc12001.doc.htm

UN Resolution 2209

http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc11810.doc.htm

It's pretty clear who they blame here:

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UND ... penElement

and

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies ... sS17_1.pdf[/quote]

[Get Real!]

Noam Chomsky: The Long, Shameful History of American Terrorism

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17311/n ... t_campaign

[Paphitis]

meanwhile, Coalition forces are a mere 9 kms from the centre of Mosul.

Raqqa offensive in Syria imminent!

Side attacks fail to deter Mosul offensive as coalition also readies Raqqa assault

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/1 ... a-assault/



Civilians leave their houses as a member of Iraq's elite counterterrorism forces interrogates handcuffed suspects of Islamic State in the village of Tob Zawa, about 9 km (5½ miles) from Mosul, Iraq, Tuesday. Around 335 civilians were evacuated to a refugee camp from the village, which was retaken by special forces on Monday, Maj. Gen. Haider Fadhil said.

Just look at how the buildings in the background are still intact!

[supporttheunderdog]

Amnesty International comes clean…

“USA must come clean about civilian deaths caused by Coalition air strikes in Syria”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... -in-syria/

will other participants in the war do the same?

[Paphitis]

Amnesty International comes clean…

“USA must come clean about civilian deaths caused by Coalition air strikes in Syria”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... -in-syria/

will other participants in the war do the same?

The Coalition has never denied that it has killed civilians, and that more civilians will be killed as part of its operations in Mosul and Raqqa. sadly, we will also lose many Iraqi and Kurdish fighters. Unfortunately, this is the cost of this war. The Coalition might even lose an aircraft in the coming weeks.

But, the Coalition is not happy about collateral damage or even the occasional mistake. What is a clear violation as far as the Coalition and International Law are concerned is the deliberate and indiscriminate targeting of civilians.

The Coalition will never place its objectives above the welfare of civilians. They won't raise entire cities to the ground, bomb hospitals deliberately, or use Chemical weapons.

This is the differentiation.

So as for coming clean, coalition is always more than happy to reveal, and acknowledge as well as accept responsibility whenever civilians have been killed and will always investigate and review its procedures and intelligence infrastructure with the aim of reducing Collateral damage as much as possible.

Simply put, if they bomb a hospital, they will wear it. If they shoot down an Airliner, they won't even attempt to hide it! That's because it's much better to come clean when ever this stuff happens, and deal with it rather than deny it and let all those issues fester (which will cause a war the more people are pissed off).

After this war is over, people will see for themselves and compare the state of Aleppo and Mosul. I know which horse I will be backing. Also, if I were a civilian, and had to choose between Aleppo or Mosul, I would rather be in Mosul because I know the Coalition can be trusted a lot more than Assad or Pootin.

Coalition always had a long term strategy as opposed to the Pootin's smash and grab which also looks to be teetering on the brink of failure. Their operation was suppose to have ended back in January. now we just need to know what year!

[Paphitis]

I challenge everyone to ask themselves. If you had a choice between these 2 places only, which will YOU choose?

Would you feel more comfortable in Mosul with Coalition Aircraft flying over you or Aleppo with regime and Russian aircraft flyibng over you?

All of you will pick Mosul, because in Aleppo, you're as good as dead almost! In Mosul, you got a good chance of survival (provided you stay away from desperate DAESH), because the Coalition won't carpet bomb you with barrel bombs.

[miltiades]

Paphitis, do try and be objective instead of persistently subjective. I doubt if any member would take your views as those of a well informed individual exercising required probity.

The most potent priority in Syria right now is the return of peace. The coalition can not do this neither can the 100 plus different islamist groups. Only Assad can do that.

[Robin Hood]

I challenge everyone to ask themselves. If you had a choice between these 2 places only, which will YOU choose?

Mosul is in Iraq ..... Aleppo is in Syria! Why not throw in New York, London or Paris?

Would you feel more comfortable in Mosul with Coalition Aircraft flying over you or Aleppo with regime and Russian aircraft flyibng over you?

Aleppo ! Reason ..... there are no aircraft currently flying over Aleppo.. The Syrian Government and their allies have had 7 safe transit exit points open for almost a week. Unfortunately, the terrorists are either landing mortars and shells on these points (shown LIVE of RT) or using snipers (also shown live on RT as the crowd of people trying to get out had to run for their lives. The Russians and SAA have said their aircraft will remain grounded for the time being ...... but if they see the terrorists being rearmed that would change.

All of you will pick Mosul, because in Aleppo, you're as good as dead almost! In Mosul, you got a good chance of survival (provided you stay away from desperate DAESH), because the Coalition won't carpet bomb you with barrel bombs.

Bravo .... you have captured 80 villages and a couple of very small towns! You are several Km from the city and already the civilian casualties due to air attacks and artillery fire are beginning to rise. This is in virtually open country with a few small hamlets! So far, a girls school, a funeral and quite a few other mistakes where women and children have died ..... but of course there is no 'White Helmets' and SOHR to relay the information to the MSM ..... only your highly trained Iraqi special forces to provide the drama of their outstanding military successes, as Daesh fade away and leave the Iraqi's to their IED's and to kill/shoot their human shields.

When they reach the outer suburbs .... mark my words ..... the Iraqi advance will grind to a standstill and they will run for it. They did last time they faced IS and the same will happen again this time ..... in general these people have no stomach for a fight, they are only good at killing when they have the upper hand. It's an Arab thing!!

Paphitis, your problem is ..... gross overconfidence in YOUR own ability and a gross underestimate of the competence and ability of your opponent. I think back to Vietnam! "It will all be over by Christmas because they are just a bunch of illiterate peasants with pitchforks "......... the peasants wiped the floor with the US forces and they fled for their lives.

Hitler thought the same about Russia ..... and they did the same with the overconfident German Army, they ran them out of 'town' and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of them. The Russians did the same to Napoleon .......... well you get the picture .... yes?

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. So far the Russians have been several steps ahead of YOUR coalition every time in this conflict, except on the propaganda front. All the time you hear nothing from Putin ...... wonder why!

[Robin Hood]

Courtesy of RT .......

60 civilians killed, 200 injured as US-led coalition strikes Mosul residential areas – Russian MoD

https://www.rt.com/news/364045-mosul-airstrikes-civilians-killed/

Oooop’s good job it wasn’t Aleppo ...... it would be called ‘deliberately targeting civilians’ and classed as a war crime! I’m glad to see the Russians just stick to facts and refrain from making stupid accusations to score propaganda points!

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, do try and be objective instead of persistently subjective. I doubt if any member would take your views as those of a well informed individual exercising required probity.

The most potent priority in Syria right now is the return of peace. The coalition can not do this neither can the 100 plus different islamist groups. Only Assad can do that.

I think you are wrong! I am with the consensus of most EU and western Countries.

Your views are not.

Pootin is very evil, and his antagonism of the last few years will lead to inevitable war.

My views just go against the grain on this forum, but Cypriots have the STUPID gene. Even after their stupidity of the 60s and 70s, they just don't learn and look for a scape goat when they should be looking in the mirror.

Fact is, America and the West is consistent with Cypriot values at the end of the day, just like European values but they always look East to all the Pariahs.

We all have one voice Miltiades - UK, France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, UAE, Qatar, Australia, Canada, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, USA, New Zealand and I can go on and on!

That is with who my views coincide with.

Your views coincide with Russia, Iran and Venezuela.