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Status Quo solution

The 'TRNC' becomes a recognised state with existing borders but all refugees have the right to return and become full citizens with voting rights
0
No votes
The 'TRNC' returns 17-20% of Cyprus back to the RoC and gets recognised. Refugees in the returned land can get their land back.
2
67%
A return to full political participation by the Turkish Cypriots in the RoC including Turkish Cypriot MP's and Turkish Cypriot Vice president in a dual role alongside their 'TRNC' roles.
1
33%
 
Total votes : 3

Re: Status Quo solutions

Postby Panicos UK » Sat May 12, 2012 9:53 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
Panicos UK wrote:
The uncompromising attitude of Makarios persisted despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriot side had accepted all the 13 points proposed by him in 1963, and even went beyond them.
So, he became uncompromizingly neghative to his own proposals? :lol:

Makarios would not yield on the issue of local government despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriots had; abandoned their demand to group Greek and Turkish villages together, accepted that only the House of Representatives would enact legislation on local government matters, and accepted that administrative control would be exercised on behalf of the Government by a Civil Servant. Clerides strongly advised Makarios to accept the Turkish Cypriot proposals but Makarios would not be persuaded.


Turkish Cypriot proposals?? but aren't we talking about the 13 proposals of Makarios here? WHAT Turkish Cypriot proposals are you talking about now?

According to Clerides......
Give us a break will you?

.....the decision of Makarios of 12th December 1972 not to compromise....


Compromise about what? I thought you claim that all his points had been accepted?

.......after the concessions that the Turkish side had made...


Concessions? I though you said "acceptance" of all points? Do you know the meaning of the term "concession"?

Come on newgen. Give it up.



Excellent demolition job! :)


I agree, Dr Kypros Tofallis will be very upset! :D
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Re: Status Quo solutions

Postby Lordo » Sat May 12, 2012 10:29 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
Panicos UK wrote:
The uncompromising attitude of Makarios persisted despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriot side had accepted all the 13 points proposed by him in 1963, and even went beyond them.
So, he became uncompromizingly neghative to his own proposals? :lol:

Makarios would not yield on the issue of local government despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriots had; abandoned their demand to group Greek and Turkish villages together, accepted that only the House of Representatives would enact legislation on local government matters, and accepted that administrative control would be exercised on behalf of the Government by a Civil Servant. Clerides strongly advised Makarios to accept the Turkish Cypriot proposals but Makarios would not be persuaded.


Turkish Cypriot proposals?? but aren't we talking about the 13 proposals of Makarios here? WHAT Turkish Cypriot proposals are you talking about now?

According to Clerides......
Give us a break will you?

.....the decision of Makarios of 12th December 1972 not to compromise....


Compromise about what? I thought you claim that all his points had been accepted?

.......after the concessions that the Turkish side had made...


Concessions? I though you said "acceptance" of all points? Do you know the meaning of the term "concession"?

Come on newgen. Give it up.



Excellent demolition job! :)


What is it about the fascists here that insist on licking each others arses.

The only thing the fascists were able to demolish was the RoC unfortunately you guys did not manage the second item in the plan which was decleration of Enosis.

But of course you have that now that Cyprus is in the EU.

So what happened to the promisses that once in the EU there would be a better agreement?
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Re: Status Quo solutions

Postby Kikapu » Sat May 12, 2012 10:33 pm

Lordo wrote:
So what happened to the promisses that once in the EU there would be a better agreement?


Since 2004, I don't see a worse agreement than the Annan Plan, so what's your point? :?
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Re: Status Quo solutions

Postby Panicos UK » Sat May 12, 2012 10:39 pm

Lordo wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
Panicos UK wrote:
The uncompromising attitude of Makarios persisted despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriot side had accepted all the 13 points proposed by him in 1963, and even went beyond them.
So, he became uncompromizingly neghative to his own proposals? :lol:

Makarios would not yield on the issue of local government despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriots had; abandoned their demand to group Greek and Turkish villages together, accepted that only the House of Representatives would enact legislation on local government matters, and accepted that administrative control would be exercised on behalf of the Government by a Civil Servant. Clerides strongly advised Makarios to accept the Turkish Cypriot proposals but Makarios would not be persuaded.


Turkish Cypriot proposals?? but aren't we talking about the 13 proposals of Makarios here? WHAT Turkish Cypriot proposals are you talking about now?

According to Clerides......
Give us a break will you?

.....the decision of Makarios of 12th December 1972 not to compromise....


Compromise about what? I thought you claim that all his points had been accepted?

.......after the concessions that the Turkish side had made...


Concessions? I though you said "acceptance" of all points? Do you know the meaning of the term "concession"?

Come on newgen. Give it up.



Excellent demolition job! :)


What is it about the fascists here that insist on licking each others arses.

The only thing the fascists were able to demolish was the RoC unfortunately you guys did not manage the second item in the plan which was decleration of Enosis.

But of course you have that now that Cyprus is in the EU.

So what happened to the promisses that once in the EU there would be a better agreement?


That comment was targetted at me. I made some people feel uncomfortable and they're just trying to save face.
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Re: Status Quo solutions

Postby Lordo » Sat May 12, 2012 10:43 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:
So what happened to the promisses that once in the EU there would be a better agreement?


Since 2004, I don't see a worse agreement than the Annan Plan, so what's your point? :?


There is not one, that was the point. Never mind back to arse licking. It will make you feel better my friend.
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Re: Status Quo solutions

Postby Lordo » Sat May 12, 2012 10:46 pm

Panicos UK wrote:
Lordo wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
Panicos UK wrote:
The uncompromising attitude of Makarios persisted despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriot side had accepted all the 13 points proposed by him in 1963, and even went beyond them.
So, he became uncompromizingly neghative to his own proposals? :lol:

Makarios would not yield on the issue of local government despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriots had; abandoned their demand to group Greek and Turkish villages together, accepted that only the House of Representatives would enact legislation on local government matters, and accepted that administrative control would be exercised on behalf of the Government by a Civil Servant. Clerides strongly advised Makarios to accept the Turkish Cypriot proposals but Makarios would not be persuaded.


Turkish Cypriot proposals?? but aren't we talking about the 13 proposals of Makarios here? WHAT Turkish Cypriot proposals are you talking about now?

According to Clerides......
Give us a break will you?

.....the decision of Makarios of 12th December 1972 not to compromise....


Compromise about what? I thought you claim that all his points had been accepted?

.......after the concessions that the Turkish side had made...


Concessions? I though you said "acceptance" of all points? Do you know the meaning of the term "concession"?

Come on newgen. Give it up.



Excellent demolition job! :)


What is it about the fascists here that insist on licking each others arses.

The only thing the fascists were able to demolish was the RoC unfortunately you guys did not manage the second item in the plan which was decleration of Enosis.

But of course you have that now that Cyprus is in the EU.

So what happened to the promisses that once in the EU there would be a better agreement?


That comment was targetted at me. I made some people feel uncomfortable and they're just trying to save face.

No Panicos that was not directed at you at all but the resident fscistas and fascistakises which insist on licking each others arses everytime one makes a post no matter how blind.
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Re: Status Quo solutions

Postby kurupetos » Sat May 12, 2012 10:51 pm

:lol:
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Re: Status Quo solutions

Postby Lordo » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:57 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Panicos UK wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:No the RoC existed the whole time. Why would it not? The changes to the Constitution and its smooth running didn't affect the RoC name.


So if the RoC had continued to exist, despite the withdrawal of the Turkish Cypriots, why would the Treaty of Guarantee be null and void? Sorry I posted on the page before.



The RoC did not depend on the participation of any 'individual' members. There was a clause which was put in place (can't remember the details of what it's called - some legal term about necessity). So the Republic could be fully functioning without the TCs. But the Treaty of Guarantees were null and void which is why Britain did not intervene to stop the Turkish invasion.

interesting that there are certain members gr and dt and of course our esteemed leaderess that the guarantees were null and void some say after 1974 and some say before. now that discussion is all about removing them for the new sate has thos not oroven how stupid you have been in the past saying that guarantee is null and void.

perhaps there is hope for us yet.
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