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[Get Real!]

Why did the Irani chap lie then?

Because a Greek twat like Kimon lied to him first.

[kimon07]

Why did the Irani chap lie then?

He did not lie; he looked but did not see.

HIM???

Al-Biruni is regarded as one of the greatest scholars of the medieval Islamic era and was well versed in physics, mathematics, astronomy, and natural sciences, and also distinguished himself as a historian, chronologist and linguist.[6] He was conversant in Chorasmian, Persian, Arabic, Sanskrit, and also knew Greek, Hebrew and Syriac.

[denizaksulu]

No ones' perfeck!

[halil]

A TROOP of 15 Turkish Whirling Dervishes yesterday walked to the northern Nicosia part of the Ledra Street crossing in what they hoped would be construed as a seasonal gesture of goodwill towards Greek Cypriots. Leading the group, head of the Near East University’s Rumi Institute Gokalp Kamil, told the Cyprus Mail, “the philosophy of Mevlevi culture is to love your fellow human being. What better way of expressing this than to send salutations of love to our dear friends across the divide?” Kamil added that Mevlevi culture had many followers in the Greek Cypriot community. Yesterday’s walkabout by Dervishes, according to Kamil, was once a traditional annual event in the Turkish Cypriot calendar until the late 1950s, but had fizzled out because of secularist ideals and ignorance towards heritage. “We are not seeking a resurgence of religion, but of tradition and cultural heritage,” he said. The Dervishes, who are visiting the northern part of the island to feature in this week’s celebrations of the founder of the Sufi Dervish order Mevlana Celaleddin-i Belhi Rumi’s death, hail from Konya, Turkey’s Sufi Islam capital. They will be performing in a number of locations throughout the week, culminating in their performance at the Mevlevi Tekke at Kyrenia Gate in Nicosia old town on Friday evening. Kamil says the Mevlevi culture is historically recognised as an important part of Turkish culture on the island, having arrived with Lala Mustafa Pasha, who conquered Cyprus in 1571. “The culture is accepted as a common cultural heritage of the Cypriot people, be they Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriot. For Turkish Cypriots it is the oldest cultural heritage we have............

http://rumi.neu.edu.tr/dervishes.html

[halil]

http://muze.semazen.net/content.php?id=00101

[denizaksulu]

The opening quatrain of the Mathnawi/Mesnvî states:

"Gel, Gel, ne olursan ol gel,
Ister kâfir, ister mecûsî, ister putperest ol gel,
Bizim dergâhımız ümitsizlik dergâhı değildir,
Yüz kerre tövbeni bozmuş olsan da yine gel."

Translation:

"Come, come, whatever/whoever you are
Whether you are a non-believer, fire-worshipper or idolater, come
Our 'House' is not the house of desperation,
Even if you break your 'penance' a hundred times, still come. "

With these words Rumî managed to attract to his way of life peoples from all walks of life.

There are more poetic translations to the above on the net.

[denizaksulu]

“Come, come, whoever you are, Wanderer, worshipper, lover of leaving, Ours is not a caravan of despair. Come, even if you have broken your vow a hundred times, Come, come again, come,” wrote the great poet and mystic philosopher Mevlâna Jelaleddin Rumî.

[kurupetos]

I think Linus van Pelt was sort of a sufi. He carried a wool blanket and talked nonsense, no?

[denizaksulu]

You sleeping under a woolen blanket does not make you one.

[kimon07]

I think Linus van Pelt was sort of a sufi. He carried a wool blanket and talked nonsense, no?

NO!!! because "sufism" had nothing to do with wool and nonsense. It was/is wisdom. Don't listen to bill. It was all about "sopfia"