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[repulsewarrior]

...and i'm confused, where do so called Greeks and Turks come from, Cypriots, as stewards of the island, having existed before them.

[kurupetos]

...and i'm confused, where do so called Greeks and Turks come from, Cypriots, as stewards of the island, having existed before them.

They immigrated to Canada and London.

[Sotos]

blah blah blah ... I did make an error with Sumerians because I sometime get confused with names ... blah blah blah

Yes, you an idiot who can't even get the basics right. So to set things straight:
1. Sumerians never ruled over Cyprus.
2. Hittites might have temporarily conquered Cyprus for a very short period of time at about the same time that first Greeks came to Cyprus
3. The Assyrians took Cyprus later.

[Piratis]

Oh yeah. Makarios must have been half Turk (explains why he protected the TCs so much); but yet, we are told, the TCs are all originally Greek. There's logic in them there bananas!

no: the TSC were originaly Cypriot as were those who call themslevs Greek. Indeed according to some learned people the process of self identification with Greece is probably a relatively recent development , according those academics probbaly post dating the British takeover in 1878.

Look for this:

‘My Homeland is Cyprus and My Parents are Orthodox Christians of the Eastern Dogma’:
Imperialism and Identity Transformation in Cyprus from the Ottomans to the British

Dr Andrekos Varnava,
Assistant Professor, History,
European University Cyprus, Nicosia, Cyprus

which can be found here
http://legacy.prio.no/Cyprus/Projects-Topics/History3

try this one on the brain washing.....
http://legacy.prio.no/upload/Report-History%20Education%20low.pdf

More about PRIO:
search.php?keywords=PRIO&terms=all&author=Piratis

Anti-colonial nationalism
This form of nationalism came about during the decolonialisation of the post war period. It was a reaction mainly in Africa and Asia against being subdued by foreign powers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Seems that the British can still not stomach the fact that the nations they governed woke up and fought for their freedom. They would have much preferred if we had remained uneducated peasants without any knowledge of our history and identity, so they could continue to exploit us without any resistance.

[supporttheunderdog]

if you rwly want to read sh"*t look at this site. (and these are the people who share certain of the philosphies of Golden Shower and Edan, opps I mean Golden Dawn and Elam - I wonder what their final solution is for the likes of kuru?

Personally I find most of what is in Stormfront to be offensive, but then I can see little difference to the way that certain on this forum treat the TSC.

As to PRIO yes I looked at Piratis' self publicizing link but found little objective, simply a display of his own particular prejudices against those who promote an alternative point of view to his own (mis)-conceptions of the world.

[bigOz]

Oh really? I thought we agreed everyone was Greek.

Noooo! GIG... You are confusing it with the famous phrase "It's all Greek to me"!'

[bigOz]

blah blah blah ... I did make an error with Sumerians because I sometime get confused with names ... blah blah blah

Yes, you an idiot who can't even get the basics right. So to set things straight:
1. Sumerians never ruled over Cyprus.
2. Hittites might have temporarily conquered Cyprus for a very short period of time at about the same time that first Greeks came to Cyprus
3. The Assyrians took Cyprus later.

Listen you peanut brain of an illiterate racist so and so! Your ignorance and stupidity is in par with every other EOKA-B fanatic that pollute forums such as this. Your fanaticism is a danger to your own kind as well as an insult to learned peoples intelligence. In a pool of knowledge, you would stand out as a brainless worm! If you think calling others names is fun, I assure you my English vocabulary (which exceeds the 3-4 "blah blah blah" that you shamelesly write) will bury you on that subject

Forget about Assyrians and Sumerians - read below and stop making farting noises you fool! It is from a Greek website:
http://www.windowoncyprus.com/newpage110.htm

During the period between 1,500-1050 B.C. the rival Hittite and Egyptian empires exercised authority over the rulers of the Cypriot cities. This ancient non-Greek, non-alphabetic inscriptions are of tremendous importance. While the earliest examples, which date from as early as 1500 BC, can't be read, comparisons clearly show that the Cypriot syllabary seemed to have derived from Linear A, and so sort of like a sibling to Linear B. The first readable texts in this system came after the Greek settlers of the 12th century BC, and its use persisted into Classical times. It was only through the extensive Hellenisation of Alexander the Great that this script was finally abandoned.

8,500 - 8,000 B.C Hunter Gatherers . The earliest evidence (Neolithic).

7,000 - 5,300 BC The first settlers: The Chirokitians.
Earliest pottery, which you will find specimens of in almost all the museums and collections in Cyprus.

4,000 - 2,500 BC Chalcolithic (Copper) Age Use of metals and settlement of west Cyprus.

[i]2,700-1,600 BC Cypriot Bronze Ages, Early and Middle: Ox-plough, cattle, horses, and bronze making are introduced as well as a highly individual pottery style. 1st records of Alasia and its export of copper in near eastern historical records 1900B.C.

1,600-1,050 BC The Late Bronze Age: A period of sophisticated literate city states such as Engomi-Alasia and Kition. Large scale pottery export to the Levant and Egypt. Trade began in earnest.

1500 - 1450 BC: Development of Engomi as a major port. [i]The Hittites rule in Cyprus.

1450 BC - 1000 BC: Late Bronze Age: 1220 Kition and Engomi was destroyed and then rebuilt, Beginning of the Egyptian domination of the island.

1300 BC The Hittites, Eteo Cypriotes and Minoans each created open syllibaries. Well it is presumed they are open syllibaries (based on the number of signs they employed) because they still cannot be read.

1200 BC - 1000: Establishment of the city states of Salamis (capital at the time), Soli, Marion, Paphos, Curium, and Kyrenia; [/i]arrival of Greek colonies.

750 BC - 612 BC: Cypro-Archaic 1 Assyrian rule of Cyprus; Seven Cypriot Kings paid homage to Sargon II of Assyria (709 B.C)
Ten Cypriot Kings paid homage to Esarhaddon of Assyria (673 B.C.) The golden age of Archaic Cyprus when the island was divided between a dozen city kingdoms, all independent.

568 BC - 525 BC: Egyptian rule.

525 BC - 333 BC: Persian occupation and the rule of the island; also termed as the Cypro-Classical period and the duel between Kition and Salamis. Cyprus contributed 150 ships to the Persian fleet.

450 B.C. there was Cimons expedition to liberate Cyprus from Persia, but in 448 B.C. Cyprus is left firmly in the control of the Persians and Later Evagoras 1st became the king of Salamis, by 391 he was the master of all Cyprus. The Persian generals Tiribazus and Orontes at last invaded Cyprus in 385 BC... The war turned in the Persian favor when Evagoras' fleet was destroyed at the Battle of Citium, and he was compelled to flee to Salamis. Here, although closely blockaded, Evagoras managed to hold his ground, and took advantage of a quarrel between the two Persian generals to conclude peace (376). Evagoras was allowed to remain nominally king of Salamis, but in reality a vassal of Persia, to which he was to pay a yearly tribute. In 374 he was assassinated by a eunuch from motives of private revenge.

[i]333 BC - 58 BC: End of Persian domination, death of Alexander the Great, Hellenistic rule: the heirs of Alexander the Great rule the island. until 88 B.C. when Cyprus was returned to Egyptian rule

58 BC - 395 AD: Cyprus is reduced to the state of a Roman province and then in 47 B.C. Cyprus is returned to Egyptian rule by Julius Caesar until the suicide of Cleopatra in 30 B.C. when Cyprus became part of the Roman Empire : 350 years of quiet provincial prosperity.

330 AD - 649 AD:The foundation of Stavrovouni Monastery, within 10 years of each other Paphos and Salamis were ruined by Earthquake and tidal wave (332&342 A.D.) In 649 The death of the lady Umm-Haram, cousin of the Prophet at Tekke near Larnaca. The island becomes a part of the Byzantine Empire when Cyprus is gradually converted from paganism to Orthodox Christianity.

649 AD - 965 AD: The island is caught on the frontier between the two warring empires of Byzantium and Islam.

965 AD - 1191 AD: Return of the island to Byzantium.

1191 AD - 1192: Rule of the island by Richard the Lionheart, He sold it to the Templars for 100,000 dinars.He married Berengaria of Navarre in Limassol, where she was crowned queen of England. The Templars then re-sold the island to King Richard who later transferred it at the same price to to Guy de Lusignan.

1192 AD - 1489 AD: Rule of the island by the Frankish Lusignan dynasty.

1489 - 1570: Venetian domination of the island.

1571 - 1861: Conquest of the island by the Ottoman Empire.

1878 - 1914: The administration of Cyprus passes to Britain. Which remains formally part of the Ottoman Empire In 1880 Greek and Turkish were established as the mediums for education in the schools (Each to his own)1914 Cyprus was annexed by Britain when the Ottoman Empire enters into the World War I on the side of Germany; subsequently the island becomes a British Crown colony and under the British rule.

NOW! Clearly Assyrians and many other civilisations had ruled over Cyprus long before there was any Greek writing or culture. Then, other civilisations and/or rulers conquered/ruled for more than thousand years until it became part of the Byzantine Empire. Finally to be conquered by the Ottoman Empire after almost another 400 years of rule by Lusignans and Venetians (who in fact were doing a good job clearing the island of Greek Orthodox Church). If the island was not conquered by the Ottomans, Greek speaking settlers and the Orthodox Church would have been assimilated by the Venetians as Italian speaking Catholics by now! This would probably be an Italian island to this day!

What gives any Greek speaking Cypriots the right to claim the island as a "Greek island" just because it was ruled for few hundred years towards the last part of a 10,000 years old history? If anything, the Turks would be more justified to do that because civilisations from Anatolia (i.e. Turkey) had first occupied the island - only 60 miles from its coastline - for far longer periods of time! Your single cell brain can only think of Hellenism and Greek language, fantasising about a Greek island that does not exist and will never do so in reality.

Hello? Come back down to earth please!
And don't respond with your usual abusive rubbish as all cowards would do, but show me some contrary evidence to support your claim or to discredit what I have shown in the time line both in this and my previous post (where more details of early settlers and civilisations from Turkey was provided). If you cannot do that than crawl up and be quiet!

[Sotos]

I am sorry BigOz. I didn't realize that you are retarded. I thought you were just an idiot... I would never say anything bad to a person with special needs like you. What I want is to help you. I know it is difficult for you due to your mental situation but I will do my best! So lets start by helping you to work on your comprehension problem!

"Hittite and Egyptian empires exercised authority over the rulers of the Cypriot cities" does not mean that any Hittites or Egyptians came to Cyprus.

"1500 - 1450 BC: The Hittites rule in Cyprus" For just 50 years and not "thousands of years before the Greeks" like you said. And ruling Cyprus for 50 years doesn't make Cypriots Hittites... nowhere it says the Hittites settled in Cyprus.

"The Hittites, Eteo Cypriotes and Minoans each created open syllibaries." Why you highlighted this? The syllabary in Cyprus is different from the one of Hittites.

1200 BC - 1000: Establishment of the city states of Salamis (capital at the time), Soli, Marion, Paphos, Curium, and Kyrenia; arrival of Greek colonies. Do you comprehend the difference between Hittites ruling Cyprus for 50 years and the Greeks coming to Cyprus and establishing many cities and living in Cyprus ever since for 3200 years? Do you understand the difference between Greeks being the inhabitants of Cyprus and some foreign empires merely putting Cyprus under their rule temporarily? If you can then there is hope for you to improve.... If not then nobody can help you

[Sotos]

...indeed, Cypriot Statehood has more to do with bananas than it has to do with its genetics today, or National sentiments; i agree. Bread and butter, there is only one planet, if you don't believe in God, that's where its at, or where it should be, whether, as Persons we identify ourselves with distinctions to sustain, or not. in Cyprus, i think thinking must change, as good Greeks, if you will, they must lead with the way forward a new form of Governance beyond the idea of Nations as States, but Bicommunally a State where within there are Nations.

...question, looking for Cypriots, how far does that go, haven't there been inhabitants since before recorded History, on this island? how does that relate to Civilizations (within recorded History), like the Greeks, and/or Egyptians, while being further complicated by the changing political spheres from which order is found.

You forgot the Hitites (from Anotolia) and Sumerians who occupied the island many thousands of years before!

Will you now accept that your WHOLE sentence was FALSE? The first step for you to improve your situation is to recognize your mistakes. You need to realize that you are a retard in order to start treating your problem.... I know you can't become normal but even a small improvement will be a great success for you. Denial will not help you.... and copy / pasting irrelevant text will not help you either

[Piratis]

As to PRIO yes I looked at Piratis' self publicizing link but found little objective, simply a display of his own particular prejudices against those who promote an alternative point of view to his own (mis)-conceptions of the world.

PRIO is often re-publishing Turkish propaganda claiming, for example, that there are less than 40.000 Turkish Settlers in Cyprus (calling them "immigrants" in their report). PRIO publications are either written directly by Turks, or by publishing anything else they believe can serve their anti-Cypriot propaganda.