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[kurupetos]

Cyprus, being an island was always NATURALLY bordered and so like every other island, was among the first of “countries” (kingdoms) to be established on the planet many thousands of years ago.

However, in the case of mainland countries like Greece… up to the early 1800s there was still no such country so if you don’t have an ETHNOS then you cannot possibly have a people!

As for the Kurds, they’re in fact Iranians or Persians if you like.

[DrCyprus]

I'm not questioning this author's credentials, but your ability to paraphrase or to provide good historical sources to back up your claims. Why don't you just find the little passage which refers to what you are trying to pass off as something from this book. Alternatively, if it is part of our history it should be verifiable by other good sources.

Please click once on the image to be able to read the whole version.



from Excerpta Cypria, Cambridge University Press 1908, page 93

For people who want to educate themselves on their island. http://www.archive.org/stream/excerptacypriama00cobhuoft#page/n5/mode/2up

[GreekIslandGirl]

I'm not questioning this author's credentials, but your ability to paraphrase or to provide good historical sources to back up your claims. Why don't you just find the little passage which refers to what you are trying to pass off as something from this book. Alternatively, if it is part of our history it should be verifiable by other good sources.

Please click once on the image to be able to read the whole version.



from Excerpta Cypria, Cambridge University Press 1908, page 93

For people who want to educate themselves on their island. http://www.archive.org/stream/excerptacypriama00cobhuoft#page/n5/mode/2up

I'm well aware that there are sources that describe how the native Cypriots were weakened or under the yoke of previous masters; that they either could not or chose not to help the Venetians fight against the Ottomans, but that's not what you said which I asked you to supply evidence for. You said:

The Greek speaking population of Cyprus actually helped the Ottomans kick the Venetians out on the promise that they would allow them to practice Orthodox Christianity.

And I asked:

Do you have any historical sources for this "help" and this deal struck on a "promise"?

Not by any stretch of the imagination does your above source, other than suggesting Cypriot hospitality, answer my question. It does not validate your comment that there was some active deal struck.

[DrCyprus]

Not by any stretch of the imagination does your above source, other than suggesting Cypriot hospitality, answer my question. It does not validate your comment that there was some active deal struck.

I think you are just being ignorant on purpose. Giving not only provisions but also information on the affairs of the island to a foreign invading army is called HELPING them, not just being hospitable.

I never did say that there was an active deal struck. That's just another straw man figment of your imagination. Perhaps there was though, afterall, most of the Greek Orthodox Clergy of Cyprus ran away to Asia with all the gold they could carry and conveniently came back straight after 1571. Who knows?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Not by any stretch of the imagination does your above source, other than suggesting Cypriot hospitality, answer my question. It does not validate your comment that there was some active deal struck.

I think you are just being ignorant on purpose. Giving not only provisions but also information on the affairs of the island to a foreign invading army is called HELPING them, not just being hospitable.

I never did say that there was an active deal struck. That's just another straw man figment of your imagination. Perhaps there was though, afterall, most of the Greek Orthodox Clergy of Cyprus ran away to Asia with all the gold they could carry and conveniently came back straight after 1571. Who knows?

Who knows? You certainly don't so stop doctoring!

You said they had a promise. That means a deal was struck and not with just one or two villagers who probably never heard of "Ottomans", but a deal with some authority.

The Greek speaking population of Cyprus actually helped the Ottomans kick the Venetians out on the promise that they would allow them to practice Orthodox Christianity.

We'll wait and see if as you said the CyBC might come to your aid ...

[DrCyprus]

You said they had a promise. That means a deal was struck and not with just one or two villagers who probably never heard of "Ottomans", but a deal with some authority.

We'll wait and see if as you said the CyBC might come to your aid ...

I promise you one thing, a promise hardly ever entails a deal.

It's not about the CyBC or any other source coming to my aid. Given the limited online resources due to copyright restrictions, and the fact that the history of Cyprus is not hot a topic enough to have the books found online for free. Given your refusal to all research, acquire, borrow, click on links or read further on the resources I so heartily named or provided. I wash my hands.

The bones of our so honourable Greek ancestors are shaking in their graves.

[GreekIslandGirl]

All you had to do was supply your source, with the original quote which supports the statement you made. Redirecting me to some youtube doesn't cut it.

To date, your statement stands alone as something you made up because, as you say, "who knows?".

[What we do know is the slaughter the Ottomans dished out to those who stood in their way.]

[bigOz]

All you had to do was supply your source, with the original quote which supports the statement you made. Redirecting me to some youtube doesn't cut it.

To date, your statement stands alone as something you made up because, as you say, "who knows?".

[What we do know is the slaughter the Ottomans dished out to those who stood in their way.]

Isn't that exactly what every conquering army belonging to an empire did throughout history? Does it matter which one it was? Considering most of the "janissaries" who fought for the Ottomans were made up of young Greek and other boys from the Balkans taken away from their families and trained as soldiers from a very early age, are you surprised they acted like slaughtering butchers?

And why are your biased sources for your degenerated stupid claims are any better (not that I see many)? Who died and made you an authority on the subject - putting aside the fact that the doctor probably cried and Jesus wept when they saw you born, I suspect you ever went further than high school! No one with a proper education would be so bloody ignorant, disrespectful, stubborn and egoistic!

[GreekIslandGirl]

It only matters because they are still here!

Still oppressing us.
Still occupying our country.
Still looting our culture.
Still firing shotguns and battering our unarmed civilians.

[kurupetos]

All you had to do was supply your source, with the original quote which supports the statement you made. Redirecting me to some youtube doesn't cut it.

To date, your statement stands alone as something you made up because, as you say, "who knows?".

[What we do know is the slaughter the Ottomans dished out to those who stood in their way.]

Isn't that exactly what every conquering army belonging to an empire did throughout history? Does it matter which one it was? Considering most of the "janissaries" who fought for the Ottomans were made up of young Greek and other boys from the Balkans taken away from their families and trained as soldiers from a very early age, are you surprised they acted like slaughtering butchers?

And why are your biased sources for your degenerated stupid claims are any better (not that I see many)? Who died and made you an authority on the subject - putting aside the fact that the doctor probably cried and Jesus wept when they saw you born, I suspect you ever went further than high school! No one with a proper education would be so bloody ignorant, disrespectful, stubborn and egoistic!

Thank God I was born a Hellene.