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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby Sotos » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:06 pm

Cap I think you are just bitter because the blacks kicked you out of South Africa ;) No offence mate by no foreigner should have gone to South Africa while it was ruled by the whites and the native people had no say... going to live in SA during Apartheid is almost as bad as going to the pseudo state in the north which it is ruled by the invading Turks! Blacks are not worst people ... they are just on average much poorer and less educated and thats because they were slaves and suffered discrimination for such a long a time!
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby Cap » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:23 pm

It bothers you doesn't it?
Conflicting evidence to the burning feel good 'we're all brothers' mantra that we all so desperately want to believe. :wink:
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby Schnauzer » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:28 pm

According to the 'SONG' :- "When the going gets tough, the tough get going".............. But.

In real 'LIFE' :- "When the 'Times' get tough, the 'Deprived' get steaming" and it does not matter which colour they are, nor which country they hail from once they put on the 'Hoodie'.

"They all look the same to me". :wink:
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:38 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:There's a slight difference between going to a football match and acting rowdy (it's the norm, isn't it?) and going down to the local high street to loot the shops!

If you 'll notice in the video people were acting spontaneously nothing organizesd unlike the hooligans who come prepared with gas bombs and flares.. Helping yourself to a brew bottles of wine compared to planning on causing bodily harm is much much worse...


Football attracts hooligan behaviour and nothing much has been done to stop it over the years. It's a cultural expectation. Much like bullfighting. You only go there if you want to see blood.

Similarly, there seems nothing spontaneous about the lootings. Opportunistic maybe. Certainly the London lootings took place over several days and subsequently led to a lot of violence.


Spontaneously the store front glass door broke and people around opportunistically went inside and picked out the brand of wine they liked the most. The point is when a group of people are angry and fed up they will act this way, it's a show of the disrespect they get in society and they see an opportunity to show their ingratitude. Greeks in Greece recently did the same by burning and looting to show how fed up they were with the system that held them down....immigrants in France did the same a few years ago, I'm not sure about the London riots but its likely for the same reason. Hooligans are showing something similar but in a different way. For it being part of the culture and its the norm, the Romans during their decline as a society would make sure more blood was shed to keep the citizens from spilling blood against the empire. These instances are a show of disgust in society.
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:04 am

Sotos wrote:Cap I think you are just bitter because the blacks kicked you out of South Africa ;) No offence mate by no foreigner should have gone to South Africa while it was ruled by the whites and the native people had no say... going to live in SA during Apartheid is almost as bad as going to the pseudo state in the north which it is ruled by the invading Turks! Blacks are not worst people ... they are just on average much poorer and less educated and thats because they were slaves and suffered discrimination for such a long a time!


Apartheid ended in 1994...

Slavery ended two hundred years ago...

We've given billions to Africa and written off African debt...

Yet Africa is still an unproductive shit hole.

Makes you wonder...
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby Schnauzer » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:21 am

cyprusgrump wrote: Yet Africa is still an unproductive shit hole.


Said a spokesman for 'De Beers' :lol:
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:37 am

Schnauzer wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote: Yet Africa is still an unproductive shit hole.


Said a spokesman for 'De Beers' :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:02 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:There's a slight difference between going to a football match and acting rowdy (it's the norm, isn't it?) and going down to the local high street to loot the shops!

If you 'll notice in the video people were acting spontaneously nothing organizesd unlike the hooligans who come prepared with gas bombs and flares.. Helping yourself to a brew bottles of wine compared to planning on causing bodily harm is much much worse...


Football attracts hooligan behaviour and nothing much has been done to stop it over the years. It's a cultural expectation. Much like bullfighting. You only go there if you want to see blood.

Similarly, there seems nothing spontaneous about the lootings. Opportunistic maybe. Certainly the London lootings took place over several days and subsequently led to a lot of violence.


Spontaneously the store front glass door broke and people around opportunistically went inside and picked out the brand of wine they liked the most. The point is when a group of people are angry and fed up they will act this way, it's a show of the disrespect they get in society and they see an opportunity to show their ingratitude. Greeks in Greece recently did the same by burning and looting to show how fed up they were with the system that held them down....immigrants in France did the same a few years ago, I'm not sure about the London riots but its likely for the same reason. Hooligans are showing something similar but in a different way. For it being part of the culture and its the norm, the Romans during their decline as a society would make sure more blood was shed to keep the citizens from spilling blood against the empire. These instances are a show of disgust in society.


Seems like we agree about the football hooliganism being used as a controlling method for plebs, much like gladiatorial shows in Roman times. :)

As for the lootings; it was reported that people made special trips to the riot areas to loot and there are many youtubes depicting this phenomenon in London, Birmingham etc. The situation in Greece was a little different as the austerity protesters made serious inroads to destroy banks and suchlike, but there are no reports of major looting from banks, for example, which were damaged - there are however an awful lot of illegal immigrants in Athens which turn democratic protests into looting fiascoes but I haven't seen any filmed events of the sort of looting which has happened elsewhere. These illegal immigrant opportunists are the ones that led to the rise in popularity of Golden Dawn, with good reason.
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:27 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:There's a slight difference between going to a football match and acting rowdy (it's the norm, isn't it?) and going down to the local high street to loot the shops!

If you 'll notice in the video people were acting spontaneously nothing organizesd unlike the hooligans who come prepared with gas bombs and flares.. Helping yourself to a brew bottles of wine compared to planning on causing bodily harm is much much worse...


Football attracts hooligan behaviour and nothing much has been done to stop it over the years. It's a cultural expectation. Much like bullfighting. You only go there if you want to see blood.

Similarly, there seems nothing spontaneous about the lootings. Opportunistic maybe. Certainly the London lootings took place over several days and subsequently led to a lot of violence.


Spontaneously the store front glass door broke and people around opportunistically went inside and picked out the brand of wine they liked the most. The point is when a group of people are angry and fed up they will act this way, it's a show of the disrespect they get in society and they see an opportunity to show their ingratitude. Greeks in Greece recently did the same by burning and looting to show how fed up they were with the system that held them down....immigrants in France did the same a few years ago, I'm not sure about the London riots but its likely for the same reason. Hooligans are showing something similar but in a different way. For it being part of the culture and its the norm, the Romans during their decline as a society would make sure more blood was shed to keep the citizens from spilling blood against the empire. These instances are a show of disgust in society.


Seems like we agree about the football hooliganism being used as a controlling method for plebs, much like gladiatorial shows in Roman times. :)

As for the lootings; it was reported that people made special trips to the riot areas to loot and there are many youtubes depicting this phenomenon in London, Birmingham etc. The situation in Greece was a little different as the austerity protesters made serious inroads to destroy banks and suchlike, but there are no reports of major looting from banks, for example, which were damaged - there are however an awful lot of illegal immigrants in Athens which turn democratic protests into looting fiascoes but I haven't seen any filmed events of the sort of looting which has happened elsewhere. These illegal immigrant opportunists are the ones that led to the rise in popularity of Golden Dawn, with good reason.


So there was no looting and no Greeks involved then? :wink:

Great, nothing to see here folks, move on, thread closed! 8)

Wait! What??? :o

Athens rocked by riots, looting: Fires rage in Greece’s capital and dozens injured as lawkmakers approve austerity measures

Well I never...
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Re: Times are tough.. but this is ridiculous.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:11 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:

As for the lootings; it was reported that people made special trips to the riot areas to loot and there are many youtubes depicting this phenomenon in London, Birmingham etc. The situation in Greece was a little different as the austerity protesters made serious inroads to destroy banks and suchlike, but there are no reports of major looting from banks, for example, which were damaged - there are however an awful lot of illegal immigrants in Athens which turn democratic protests into looting fiascoes but I haven't seen any filmed events of the sort of looting which has happened elsewhere. These illegal immigrant opportunists are the ones that led to the rise in popularity of Golden Dawn, with good reason.


So there was no looting and no Greeks involved then? :wink:

Great, nothing to see here folks, move on, thread closed! 8)

Wait! What??? :o

Athens rocked by riots, looting: Fires rage in Greece’s capital and dozens injured as lawkmakers approve austerity measures

Well I never...


Why don't you re-read what I wrote (now underlined) and see how your source adds nothing.
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