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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby B25 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:32 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Ok after 170 pages of discussing the "su temin projesi" how about considering it a political trick? Sure at the expense of a few million, but who said that political maneuvers have no cost? They built a damn at Panayra. Was the cost wasted? of course not, it can be filled up with ships, it may happen that one year it rains so much that it gets filled up naturally. As for it's capacity it's smaller than the smallest damn in RoC (similar to that of Kalopanayiotis).
They employed a few technicians, they place a couple of pipes, and voila to GCs start getting worried. :wink:
As for the Tcs believing in false hopes from Turkey... well they got used to it.

Gc are not worried, we couldn't give 2 fucks. But we having a good laugh at the gullible TCs expense. I tgink it is a escape tunnel really or is it for Turkey to send more unaccounted gypsies and isis criminals. You decide. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:04 pm

...it is a gift. And much to the surprise of all Cypriots, it will be a gift to all Cypriots. The Problem may be, no more.

The "Turks" may think it is for them, the water, but they are mistaken. If Turkey is thinking for herself, it will be to make amends, with Cyprus. The "Greeks", like the "Turks" will be marginalised within this larger population, those who recognise and respect the existence of Cypriots.
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby Lordo » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:33 pm

nobody ever said it was just for tcs. in fact it has already been offered to the gcs but time will come when they will have no choice. the trend is towards desertification of the area and sooner or later it will be needed.
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:01 pm

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Nikitas wrote:Not at all worried. Just curious. So are many other poeple around the world. For such a big project the operators are giving very little info to the media, especially compared to some other pipeline projects in Turkey itself.

i thought you knew what the tergs are like. doi need to remind you what the fact thatthe tergs refused to give information on blood type needed after the last earthquake becsaue they did not want to give away secrets. you think they will tell you anything about this project.

give it a rest pypro. it is nearly there, 17 km or so left.


So they don't give away information but they do give away information that only 17 Km left. Very interesting! :P :P

Btw 17km is visible with any standard 10X binoculars. Nobody sees anything in the sea?
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby Lordo » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:14 pm

if i told you i would have to kill you.

wait you shall see the wosshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:43 pm

http://in-cyprus.com/water-from-turkey/
12/04/2015

By Esra Aygin

The first drop of water through an 80 kilometre trans-Mediterranean pipeline from southern Turkey to the north will arrive by the end of 2015, according to Birol Çınar of Turkey’s State Waterworks.

Despite delays, the ambitious water transfer project to supply the occupied north with 75 million cubic metres of drinking and irrigation water annually until 2040, is close to completion said Çınar. But he was careful to add that he does not want to set a strict deadline.

“This project is first of its kind in the world. In that, construction is sensitive and complex, and is highly dependent on weather conditions. So I have always been careful in not giving exact dates. An optimistic estimate would be July-August 2015. Even if there are some delays, I don’t expect them to last months,” said Çınar.

The project, expected to cost some 1.2 billion Turkish liras (some €430 million) uses an experimental technology, where the under-water section of the pipeline will not be laid on the seabed as is the customary practice, but will be suspended 280 metres below the surface of the sea.

“The deepest point in the Mediterranean between Turkey and Cyprus is 1,450 metres,” said Çınar. “It would not have been economically viable to produce pipes that withstand the pressure at such depths and to install them. The reason we chose 280 metres is because this is the safest depth. The most sophisticated submarine does not go below 200 metres.”

The total length of the trans-sea pipeline is 80 kilometres, 66.4 kilometres of which constitutes the much-anticipated suspended section. Some 11 kilometers out of the 66.4 have already been installed, said Çınar. Work was suspended for three months leading to April due to unfavourable weather conditions.

Asked whether they were faced with unforeseen problems in the installation of the suspended section, Çınar was honest in saying that it has been difficult to use high-density polyethylene pipes for the project.

“Of course, we have been faced with difficulties arising from the fact that this is a unique project. High-density polyethylene pipes are not heavy as steel pipes for example, and it is difficult to hold them in place when the sea is wavy or when the wind is blowing strong.”

Each 500-metre section of the suspended pipeline will be tethered to a total of 140 220-tonne cement anchorage blocks on the seabed with steel ropes. Floats will be used to help keep the pipeline in place.
Half of the 75 million cubic metres of water will be treated and distributed to Nicosia, Kyrenia, Famagusta-Trikomo and Rizokarpaso regions respectively through an internal distribution network of a total of 475 kilometres.

The Nicosia distribution network has already been constructed. The Kyrenia, Famagusta-Trikomo and Rizokarpaso networks are expected to be completed at the end of this year, said Çınar. The other half of the annual 75 million cubic metres will be used for irrigating 6,400 hectares of land in Morphou and 7,400 hectares in Mesaoria.

Similar water transfer projects in the world have all been carried out by laying the pipeline on the seabed. Therefore, some observers question how realistic the project is and even wonder if it will be completed. Çınar dismissed all doubts. “This project is the result of almost decade of studies,” he said.
“All the necessary tests and experiments have been conducted both on land and under water. We are 100% certain that the project will be successful.”

Although the water is expected soon, the Turkish Cypriot authorities are still to decide how it will be managed. The municipalities in the north strongly oppose the privatisation of the distribution of water.
“We propose the transfer of operating rights,” said Çınar.

“But we understand this is a difficult decision. You are trying to change an established system. Of course there will be many objections.”

Since it depends on the model of operation, the price people will have to pay for the water is also still unknown. Nonetheless, Çınar assured that it will not be more expensive than the average price Turkish Cypriots currently pay for water, which means that there will be no full cost recovery. The price of water currently varies from town to town in the north.

Çınar also dismissed rumours that natural gas or electricity will be transferred using the same pipeline.
“Electricity and natural gas both require completely different structures. It is impossible to transfer either through our system,” he said.

The project has drawn harsh criticism from certain circles in the north in that it will further increase dependence on Turkey, increase demand for water rather than satiate it, and cause an environmental catastrophe.

On the environmental impact concerns, Çınar said: “I would be lying if I told you that we have not damaged the environment. But we are doing our best to minimise the damage.

“We are carrying out a huge project to meet one of the most basic needs of the people. It is inevitable to cut trees. It is inevitable to change the environment a bit. You need rocks, so it is inevitable to operate a quarry. I find all these criticisms a little too harsh.”

It is soon to be seen how this controversial project will affect the Turkish Cypriots’ dependence on Turkey, whether it will satiate the water needs and whether its benefits will be able to overshadow the environmental and ecological damage caused so far.
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby Lordo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:05 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:http://in-cyprus.com/water-from-turkey/
12/04/2015

By Esra Aygin

The first drop of water through an 80 kilometre trans-Mediterranean pipeline from southern Turkey to the north will arrive by the end of 2015, according to Birol Çınar of Turkey’s State Waterworks.

Despite delays, the ambitious water transfer project to supply the occupied north with 75 million cubic metres of drinking and irrigation water annually until 2040, is close to completion said Çınar. But he was careful to add that he does not want to set a strict deadline.

“This project is first of its kind in the world. In that, construction is sensitive and complex, and is highly dependent on weather conditions. So I have always been careful in not giving exact dates. An optimistic estimate would be July-August 2015. Even if there are some delays, I don’t expect them to last months,” said Çınar.

The project, expected to cost some 1.2 billion Turkish liras (some €430 million) uses an experimental technology, where the under-water section of the pipeline will not be laid on the seabed as is the customary practice, but will be suspended 280 metres below the surface of the sea.

“The deepest point in the Mediterranean between Turkey and Cyprus is 1,450 metres,” said Çınar. “It would not have been economically viable to produce pipes that withstand the pressure at such depths and to install them. The reason we chose 280 metres is because this is the safest depth. The most sophisticated submarine does not go below 200 metres.”

The total length of the trans-sea pipeline is 80 kilometres, 66.4 kilometres of which constitutes the much-anticipated suspended section. Some 11 kilometers out of the 66.4 have already been installed, said Çınar. Work was suspended for three months leading to April due to unfavourable weather conditions.

Asked whether they were faced with unforeseen problems in the installation of the suspended section, Çınar was honest in saying that it has been difficult to use high-density polyethylene pipes for the project.

“Of course, we have been faced with difficulties arising from the fact that this is a unique project. High-density polyethylene pipes are not heavy as steel pipes for example, and it is difficult to hold them in place when the sea is wavy or when the wind is blowing strong.”

Each 500-metre section of the suspended pipeline will be tethered to a total of 140 220-tonne cement anchorage blocks on the seabed with steel ropes. Floats will be used to help keep the pipeline in place.
Half of the 75 million cubic metres of water will be treated and distributed to Nicosia, Kyrenia, Famagusta-Trikomo and Rizokarpaso regions respectively through an internal distribution network of a total of 475 kilometres.

The Nicosia distribution network has already been constructed. The Kyrenia, Famagusta-Trikomo and Rizokarpaso networks are expected to be completed at the end of this year, said Çınar. The other half of the annual 75 million cubic metres will be used for irrigating 6,400 hectares of land in Morphou and 7,400 hectares in Mesaoria.

Similar water transfer projects in the world have all been carried out by laying the pipeline on the seabed. Therefore, some observers question how realistic the project is and even wonder if it will be completed. Çınar dismissed all doubts. “This project is the result of almost decade of studies,” he said.
“All the necessary tests and experiments have been conducted both on land and under water. We are 100% certain that the project will be successful.”

Although the water is expected soon, the Turkish Cypriot authorities are still to decide how it will be managed. The municipalities in the north strongly oppose the privatisation of the distribution of water.
“We propose the transfer of operating rights,” said Çınar.

“But we understand this is a difficult decision. You are trying to change an established system. Of course there will be many objections.”

Since it depends on the model of operation, the price people will have to pay for the water is also still unknown. Nonetheless, Çınar assured that it will not be more expensive than the average price Turkish Cypriots currently pay for water, which means that there will be no full cost recovery. The price of water currently varies from town to town in the north.

Çınar also dismissed rumours that natural gas or electricity will be transferred using the same pipeline.
“Electricity and natural gas both require completely different structures. It is impossible to transfer either through our system,” he said.

The project has drawn harsh criticism from certain circles in the north in that it will further increase dependence on Turkey, increase demand for water rather than satiate it, and cause an environmental catastrophe.

On the environmental impact concerns, Çınar said: “I would be lying if I told you that we have not damaged the environment. But we are doing our best to minimise the damage.

“We are carrying out a huge project to meet one of the most basic needs of the people. It is inevitable to cut trees. It is inevitable to change the environment a bit. You need rocks, so it is inevitable to operate a quarry. I find all these criticisms a little too harsh.”

It is soon to be seen how this controversial project will affect the Turkish Cypriots’ dependence on Turkey, whether it will satiate the water needs and whether its benefits will be able to overshadow the environmental and ecological damage caused so far.

now listen you are worried over things that dont concern you.


you see how deep this sub has got to in the water. enjoy.

It was on January 23, 1960 when Lieutenant Walsh and his Swiss colleague Jacques Piccard reached a depth of almost 36,000 feet in a submarine. The deep dive to the part of the Mariana Trench called 'Challenger Deep' took nearly five hours and the men spent 20 minutes on the bottom of the ocean
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:09 am

We have a choice, to believe Cinar or Lordo re the operational depth of submarines.

And now the cost starts to surface and the inevitable question, does the consumer have a choice between imported and local water? A question that becomes more relevant after the latest round of grid unification announced last week. In the end GCs might find that they pay for this pharaonic project without ever being consulted about it.
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:16 pm

Lordo wrote:if i told you i would have to kill you.

wait you shall see the wosshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


the woshhhh is King Kong peeing in your ear tourkouee
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Re: Water - The Propaganda Regime of "TRNC" ...???

Postby B25 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:30 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
Lordo wrote:if i told you i would have to kill you.

wait you shall see the wosshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


the woshhhh is King Kong peeing in your ear tourkouee



Bwahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Nice one Oceans
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