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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:31 pm

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Well the man and CY have other priorities.

A truism >>> For the first time in decades CyProb isn't at the top of the Presidential list.

Hear that he won't be figure-heading the Republic at the talks, preferring to appoint a senior Minister to take his place...???



You heard correctly Bill. That was an old standing issue. According to the constitution the President is the President of both communities. According to the constitution again, the President cannot represent the GC side in negotiations for problems with TCs. Instead someone else from the GC community should do that.I am sure the TC side will also appoint someone else instead of Eroglu.This is the messy constitution the British gave us....
Yes he will appoint someone... we will see.


Also hear that Eroglu is falling even more out of favour with the Turkish Governor of the Occupied Areas who will be appointing someone else to head the negotiations when they resume.

... and others are ganging up to oust Eroglu. The press of the occupied reported yesterday that the nice Mr Talat spoke against Eroglu's intransigence and the present arrangement as the solution and Talat said that the CYs of the Occupied Areas need a solution more than ever.

Another political leader up there compared the likelihood of Eroglu reaching a settlement as being as likely as "getting tears from a dead man's eyes" .

Then of course there is the years old rivalry between Eroglu and Kooshit which has got to new depths in recent weeks.

Wonder how long Eroglu and the intransigent position at the talks will last...???


In other words it will be a good move from Anastasiades part to assign a negotiator to represent the GCs. It will give Turkey the option to assign Talat. Just like it happened in the past with Wolf_Denktash :wink: :lol:
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:19 pm

...it starts well, given that he is right wing, and that his supporters fly many more Greek Flags, than Cypriot Flags.

...having suggested that he will not be heading the negotiations, implying that as President he will remain the Representative of all Cypriots, rather than defending the issues of Greek Cypriots instead; hopeful.

...it will be very hard for either side to cloud the discussions, given that as such, Anastasiades is European, as seen by his actions if he persists, rather than the representative of the vast majority of the island, as "Greeks".

More specifically, at the beginning of his speech P. Anastasiadis wanted to please his political opponents for "constructive contribution," he said, "the emergence of political arguments during the election period." This report sparked negative reactions and jeers from fans of Mr. Anastasiadis, who only listen to the names of S. Malas and Lillikas' gioucharan ", literally, the hetero contenders tenure leading cause intense reaction of the newly elected president. Yet another point which seemed eminently gap between policy stance DI.SY and opinions of voters by Anastasiadis on burning issues concerning the Cypriots, was when the President referred to the Turkish Cypriots "compatriots" as he said. N. Anastasiadis said his intention not to allow behaviors that will lead the country into a dichotomy, while "dropped the ball" in Turkey saying it in his hand to create a pseudo European Cyprus reminiscent paradise human rights. Wanting to avoid leave no room for "misinterpretation" of good political behavior cues, N. Anastasiadis, ended his speech by reiterating that it will not tolerate behavior that can remove Cyprus from the course he intends to carve , stressing that "unity is built with respect to the views of others ". newsit.com.cy

http://www.shootandgoal.com/page.php?bid=1&id=69367
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby Lordo » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:45 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...it starts well, given that he is right wing, and that his supporters fly many more Greek Flags, than Cypriot Flags.

...having suggested that he will not be heading the negotiations, implying that as President he will remain the Representative of all Cypriots, rather than defending the issues of Greek Cypriots instead; hopeful.

...it will be very hard for either side to cloud the discussions, given that as such, Anastasiades is European, as seen by his actions if he persists, rather than the representative of the vast majority of the island, as "Greeks".

More specifically, at the beginning of his speech P. Anastasiadis wanted to please his political opponents for "constructive contribution," he said, "the emergence of political arguments during the election period." This report sparked negative reactions and jeers from fans of Mr. Anastasiadis, who only listen to the names of S. Malas and Lillikas' gioucharan ", literally, the hetero contenders tenure leading cause intense reaction of the newly elected president. Yet another point which seemed eminently gap between policy stance DI.SY and opinions of voters by Anastasiadis on burning issues concerning the Cypriots, was when the President referred to the Turkish Cypriots "compatriots" as he said. N. Anastasiadis said his intention not to allow behaviors that will lead the country into a dichotomy, while "dropped the ball" in Turkey saying it in his hand to create a pseudo European Cyprus reminiscent paradise human rights. Wanting to avoid leave no room for "misinterpretation" of good political behavior cues, N. Anastasiadis, ended his speech by reiterating that it will not tolerate behavior that can remove Cyprus from the course he intends to carve , stressing that "unity is built with respect to the views of others ". newsit.com.cy

http://www.shootandgoal.com/page.php?bid=1&id=69367
(translation by google)

if only you were right rw but you are not. it stinks of kiprianu when he said anybody who wishes to see me can book an appointment via my pa. what he is saying is he will not meet eroglu because he is not same level. it is incredible what people have to do to come to power in the banana republic. interesting developments if he can get away with it.
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby Demonax » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:06 pm

Lordo wrote:what he is saying is he will not meet eroglu because he is not same level.


He is delegating responsibility to someone else to negotiate. He cannot spend all his time pissing about with Eroglu.
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:33 pm

...and if he sits at the table at an International conference, he will sit representing Cyprus as an equal to Turkey (and other countries), because a GC will be sitting as an equal to the TC representative.
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby Demonax » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:54 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:This guy smells Anan Plan. My guess is he will sell us at the lowest price.


Pyrpolizer,

Anastasiades voted for the Annan Plan not because he thought it was a good solution but because he thought it would lead to diplomatic isolation and an upgrading of the occupied areas if Cyprus rejected it.

Anastasiades knew that the Annan Plan was a trap and was scared of the consequences of its rejection. In the end, he was proved wrong. Cyprus overcame the criticisms and joined the EU. Today, Cyprus's sovereignty is universally recognised. While recognition of the pirate state is as far away as it's ever been.

Papadopoulos gambled right. The Annan Plan was worse than the consequences of rejecting it.

The circumstances now are very different to what they were then and the Annan Plan is dead in the water. Anastasiades can now play the role of being a man who was prepared to compromise while driving a very hard bargain indeed. His coalition partners are parties who fervently opposed the Annan Plan. He has spoken of the EU dimensions of a solution. A very good start. He is the perfect man to lead the negotiations into a new phase. Cyprus has a new dynamic, respected, well-connected leader.The TCs are still lumbered with Eroglu...
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:30 pm

Demonax wrote:"unity is built with respect to the views of others


If he sticks to this claim then he may make some progress but if like previous GC leaders he only respect GC views then he is wasting his time.
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:35 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Well the man and CY have other priorities.

A truism >>> For the first time in decades CyProb isn't at the top of the Presidential list.

Hear that he won't be figure-heading the Republic at the talks, preferring to appoint a senior Minister to take his place...???



You heard correctly Bill. That was an old standing issue. According to the constitution the President is the President of both communities. According to the constitution again, the President cannot represent the GC side in negotiations for problems with TCs. Instead someone else from the GC community should do that.I am sure the TC side will also appoint someone else instead of Eroglu.This is the messy constitution the British gave us....
Yes he will appoint someone... we will see.


Also hear that Eroglu is falling even more out of favour with the Turkish Governor of the Occupied Areas who will be appointing someone else to head the negotiations when they resume.

... and others are ganging up to oust Eroglu. The press of the occupied reported yesterday that the nice Mr Talat spoke against Eroglu's intransigence and the present arrangement as the solution and Talat said that the CYs of the Occupied Areas need a solution more than ever.

Another political leader up there compared the likelihood of Eroglu reaching a settlement as being as likely as "getting tears from a dead man's eyes" .

Then of course there is the years old rivalry between Eroglu and Kooshit which has got to new depths in recent weeks.

Wonder how long Eroglu and the intransigent position at the talks will last...???


In other words it will be a good move from Anastasiades part to assign a negotiator to represent the GCs. It will give Turkey the option to assign Talat. Just like it happened in the past with Wolf_Denktash :wink: :lol:


Yes, and Turkey needs a solution, one that favours it of coruse, and it needs it as much as the CYs of the Occupied Areas... and Turkey is prob pissed off with the getting nowhere situation if Eroglu stays, whether as chief negotiator or let's face it, in any situation of much power... Eroglu is gonna be side-lined in soooo many ways.
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:46 pm

bill you still in the south??? you are so stupid go home they need you.
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Re: Anastasiades extends a hand to the T/Cs

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:50 pm

Demonax wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:This guy smells Anan Plan. My guess is he will sell us at the lowest price.


Pyrpolizer,

Anastasiades voted for the Annan Plan not because he thought it was a good solution but because he thought it would lead to diplomatic isolation and an upgrading of the occupied areas if Cyprus rejected it.

Anastasiades knew that the Annan Plan was a trap and was scared of the consequences of its rejection. In the end, he was proved wrong. Cyprus overcame the criticisms and joined the EU. Today, Cyprus's sovereignty is universally recognised. While recognition of the pirate state is as far away as it's ever been.

Papadopoulos gambled right. The Annan Plan was worse than the consequences of rejecting it.

The circumstances now are very different to what they were then and the Annan Plan is dead in the water. Anastasiades can now play the role of being a man who was prepared to compromise while driving a very hard bargain indeed. His coalition partners are parties who fervently opposed the Annan Plan. He has spoken of the EU dimensions of a solution. A very good start. He is the perfect man to lead the negotiations into a new phase. Cyprus has a new dynamic, respected, well-connected leader.The TCs are still lumbered with Eroglu...


Demonax,I have my own different view on the events of Cyprus and I reached this conclusion as the only logical possibility. Starting from the events of 1974 my conclussion is that the coup and the invasion were agreed in advance between the CIA-the Greek hunta-and the local Nationalists and Turkey and please don't try to sell me the crap that it was Eoka B , the core was the same as Eoka A. The agreement was for DOUBLE ENOSIS. What went wrong is that Turkey got more land than what was agreed. If they weren't that stupid and had taken say about 20% who would stop the international community from recognising the pseudo and hence the result being DOUBLE ENOSIS? Desy is the party that houses a)capitalists b)Nationalists c) the general right wingers. What do the these have in common-especially the Nationalists??? Not much you think? Well... Wasn't it Klerides who tried to trick the GC by asking us to give him another 16 months to solve the CP? How do you think he would solve it other that some mid distance on Anan Plan 3 by which the GCs would still lose their properties and most propably end us like Anan Plan 5 in other words the solution would collapse and we would end up to DOUBLE ENOSIS again.
And please please, Anastasiades did not simply made a mistake with Anan 5. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Furthermore wasn't Anastasiades who betrayed his own Country after the referendum and went on sueing the Republic at the EU for tactics of terrorism imish against the Anan Plan?
Don't get me wrong I am not some sort of blind communist, in reality I haven't even voted in these elections because I had not even one good option to choose.

Now if you want to know how this guy Anastasiades will sell us look at this post. I always advice people in here a)read between the lines b) Be very careful in spotting important info.

DT. wrote:Turkey has been experiencing a great deal of growth, however it is domestically fed. Mostly down to its own demographic numbers and profile (high birth rate, young population) Considering that its largest city accepts 500,000 new immigrants a year from the rest of Turkey this would be enough to push both property, utilities and other industries in a upward trajectory. Turkey does however have one serious problem, it is projecting a power blackout in 2016 where demand will exceed supply of power. This explains why renewables are now being fast tracked (Hydro and Biomass mostly) and why the dependency on oil and gas imports will need to be somehow shaken off. Easier said than done though.

There is little chance of renewables catching up with the demand regardless of how many subsidies the Turkish government offers up and how attractive these investments are for private equity funds right now...the country's only hope will be to increase gas and oil imports (explains the look eastward to Iraq and Iran as alternatives) unless it somehow strikes gold and finds its own source of gas (explains its aggressive attitude to Cypriot EEZ plots).

The way I see it, Turkey will use all means necessary to pressure the next Cypriot government into a solution where
1) The gas is piped through Turkey into Europe
2) A co-ownership clause is included in the new agreement.

As far as Cypriot governments that can strike a deal go...Anastasiades would be in a position to negotiate such a deal and get it signed,
Lilikas will object and Malas and his party need to experience Spanish inquisition type torture so I won't even comment about them.

These 2 points are our leverage over Turkey, not the EU.

P.S once again I doubt whats good for the TC's is being at all considered by Turkey if it means energy independence.

As we say in Cyprus Ta alla oulla en pellares
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