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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:43 pm

As expected, Greece has led the way ... :)

A blonde girl thought to be aged around seven and living with a Roma family in Ireland has been taken into care, Sky Sources have revealed.
Police are understood to have swooped on the family after a tip off from a member of the public on Monday.
Concerns were raised after the member of the public saw the blonde girl being looked after by the Roma family living in the Dublin area.
It follows the taking into care of a four-year-old blonde girl called Maria and arrest of a Roma couple in Greece last Friday.
The youngster taken from the family in Dublin is now being cared for by Ireland's Health Services Executive.



http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ireland-blonde ... ml#JXMG99G

So half the Greek police-force are GD supporters, huh? As I said, no one party has all the answers and the more voices we hear, the closer we get to the truth ...
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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby Paphitis » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:53 pm

No absolutely not!

Nowhere near half the Greek Police were GD sympathizers.

According to Greek Intelligence and Secret Service, only some Greek Police including some very senior Officers sympathized with GD particularly in areas of Athens where GD were particularly active.

Before the arrests, many Police Officers were stood down so that the Police Operations against GD would not be compromised!

Going around asking illegal immigrants for their papers is not "leading the way".

If you want to solve the problems then you need to attack the problem from the route source. You need to stop them from crossing the borders.

Therefore, I suggest Greece get urgent assistance from Australia, because they have really been innovative in the way they secure their borders. It doesn't cost a fortune either.
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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:07 pm

Oh dear... looks like the beginning of another investigation in to a poss kidnapped child.

From today, in the Republic of Ireland... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24626422 ...

No picky yet.
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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby kimon07 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:05 pm

Paphitis wrote:Therefore, I suggest Greece get urgent assistance from Australia, because they have really been innovative in the way they secure their borders.



You are so right as usual.

Illegal immigration in Australia

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unauthorised persons arriving by boat to Australia by calendar year.
Pacific Island processing of illegal boat arrivals (2001–2007)[edit]
Main article: Pacific Solution

The Pacific Solution was the name given to the Australian government policy (2001–2007) of transporting asylum seekers to detention centres on small island nations in the Pacific Ocean, rather than allowing them to land on the Australian mainland. It had bipartisan support from both the Liberal-National government and Labor opposition at the time. The Pacific Solution consisted of three central strategies. Firstly, thousands of islands were excised from Australia’s migration zone or Australian territory.
Secondly, the Australian Defence Force commenced Operation Relex to interdict vessels carrying asylum seekers. Finally, these asylum seekers were removed to third countries in order to determine their refugee status. There were a number of pieces of legislation supporting this policy. The policy was developed by the Howard government in response to the 2001 Tampa affair and was implemented by then Australian Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock.
Asylum seekers were intercepted at sea while sailing from Indonesia and moved using Australian naval vessels. Detention centres were set up on Christmas Island, Manus Island in Papua New Guinea, and on the tiny island nation of Nauru. Some were also accepted for processing by New Zealand. Most of the asylum seekers came from Afghanistan (largely of the Hazara ethnic group), Iraq, Iran, China, and Vietnam. The last asylum seekers to be detained on Nauru before the end of the policy had come from Sri Lanka and Myanmar.[5]
Under the Pacific solution, 30 percent were sent home, 43 per cent of asylum seekers resettled from Nauru and Manus Island ended up in Australia. The remaining were settled in other countries.[6]
Abandonment (2007-)
See also: November 2009 Indian Ocean migrant boat disaster, 2010 Christmas Island boat disaster, and 2012 Indian Ocean migrant boat disaster

The policy was abandoned by the Australian Labor Party government of Kevin Rudd following its election in 2007. Since the abandonment of the border protection policies, the trade in people smuggling to Australia via illegal boat arrivals has resumed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_im ... _Australia


Illegal Immigration A Hot Issue In Australian Election

by Stuart Cohen
September 05, 2013 4:26 PM

COHEN: Tens of thousands of so-called boat people - often refugees from war-torn areas like Afghanistan, Iraq and Sri Lanka - have arrived on Australia's shores this year alone, usually coming by way of Indonesia in rickety and overcrowded fishing boats. For residents in Husic's electorate, like Eddie McCackley, the migrants are using up valuable social services and public housing…..

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =219368053

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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby Paphitis » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:37 am

Kimon,

Australia has a 100% detection rate. Nothing can come in without being detected and eventually intercepted/arrested.

Now, Australia refuses to process illegals in Australia. You are immediately deported to your last country of departure or an off shore facility.

Since the election of the new Government, illegal arrivals are in sharp decline because there is a massive deterrance not to try and run the gauntlet and end up in a jail in PNG.

Australia has the most sophisticated radar in the world. The Jindalee Network is the only system that can detect Stealth Aircraft and Ships. The Americans can't even get into Australia without detection.

Then there are the Drones, surveillace aircraft, customs, Feds, coastwatch and military.

Arrivals are declining to zero right now.
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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby Paphitis » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:57 am

kimon07 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Therefore, I suggest Greece get urgent assistance from Australia, because they have really been innovative in the way they secure their borders.



You are so right as usual.

Illegal immigration in Australia

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unauthorised persons arriving by boat to Australia by calendar year.
Pacific Island processing of illegal boat arrivals (2001–2007)[edit]
Main article: Pacific Solution

The Pacific Solution was the name given to the Australian government policy (2001–2007) of transporting asylum seekers to detention centres on small island nations in the Pacific Ocean, rather than allowing them to land on the Australian mainland. It had bipartisan support from both the Liberal-National government and Labor opposition at the time. The Pacific Solution consisted of three central strategies. Firstly, thousands of islands were excised from Australia’s migration zone or Australian territory.
Secondly, the Australian Defence Force commenced Operation Relex to interdict vessels carrying asylum seekers. Finally, these asylum seekers were removed to third countries in order to determine their refugee status. There were a number of pieces of legislation supporting this policy. The policy was developed by the Howard government in response to the 2001 Tampa affair and was implemented by then Australian Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock.
Asylum seekers were intercepted at sea while sailing from Indonesia and moved using Australian naval vessels. Detention centres were set up on Christmas Island, Manus Island in Papua New Guinea, and on the tiny island nation of Nauru. Some were also accepted for processing by New Zealand. Most of the asylum seekers came from Afghanistan (largely of the Hazara ethnic group), Iraq, Iran, China, and Vietnam. The last asylum seekers to be detained on Nauru before the end of the policy had come from Sri Lanka and Myanmar.[5]
Under the Pacific solution, 30 percent were sent home, 43 per cent of asylum seekers resettled from Nauru and Manus Island ended up in Australia. The remaining were settled in other countries.[6]
Abandonment (2007-)
See also: November 2009 Indian Ocean migrant boat disaster, 2010 Christmas Island boat disaster, and 2012 Indian Ocean migrant boat disaster

The policy was abandoned by the Australian Labor Party government of Kevin Rudd following its election in 2007. Since the abandonment of the border protection policies, the trade in people smuggling to Australia via illegal boat arrivals has resumed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_im ... _Australia


Illegal Immigration A Hot Issue In Australian Election

by Stuart Cohen
September 05, 2013 4:26 PM

COHEN: Tens of thousands of so-called boat people - often refugees from war-torn areas like Afghanistan, Iraq and Sri Lanka - have arrived on Australia's shores this year alone, usually coming by way of Indonesia in rickety and overcrowded fishing boats. For residents in Husic's electorate, like Eddie McCackley, the migrants are using up valuable social services and public housing…..

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =219368053

out of control.jpg


immigrants.jpg


BoatArrivals.gif


Kimon,

you can see that there was a sharp increase under the Labour Government because Australia began processing illegal immigrants.

The last month has only seen one boat arrival, which means Australia is about to reduce illegal arrivals to zero just like it did before.

It achieves this because the laws provide a massive deterrence. Also, with thousands of kilometers of unprotected coastlines, Australia has had to rely heavily on technology rather than rely solely on the military. The military can't be everywhere. So Australia has invested in things such as Satellites, Jindalee Over the Horizon Radar, Coastwatch and Customs Surveillance Aircraft, Patrol Boats, Surveillance Drones, Primary Radar - air and sea!

The network has turned the entire continent into a fortress. Missiles, Aircraft as small as C172, US Stealth Aircraft, even an 50L floating esky can be picked up (so they say). The Americans actually attempt to enter Australia without clearance with their Stealth Aircraft in order to test their Stealth Technologies against the best Surveillance Systems in the world. They get very upset when they are contacted by Air Traffic Control to identify themselves, lodge a flight plan, and then just to rub it in are intercepted by the Air Force and even engaged.

The Americans get really pissed because they just can't handle it how their Stealth Aircraft are detected up to 4000kms away from Australian Airspace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindalee_O ... ar_Network

Greece should look at what Australia can offer to solve its illegal Immigration crisis. Much of the technology can be attained for very little money compared to traditional military spending. There are lots of solutions, and Greece would not need the level of sophistication that Australia requires because of its small area.

Furthermore, Greece will need to exercise its sovereignty in order to do what Australia does. It will have to go against the EU.

It's either that, or you have 3 million illegals everywhere, and the rise of extremism (which is certainly no solution at all), and the country continues to be a basket case of problems. The EU must take more responsibility (which it does not), because the illegals in Greece end up moving to Germany, France, and UK. These countries need to help Greece but there is fat chance of that.

So, send a delegation over to Australia (it will help), and learn from an effective Government that actually solves problems and invests in cutting edge technology and systems to solve problems.

I am being very serious Kimon, and I hope Greece does collaborate with Australia (can't for the life of me think why they haven't done this already) because Greece does have a massive problem on its hands and if they follow the Australian Model, this problem will be eliminated within 12 months.

It is pretty immature of you to be playing these games, which indicates you don't even care for Greece, but would rather some kind of one upmanship over Australia.

Australia has the solutions, so your Greek Government better get off its arse and send people over just to at least study the Australian Model and perhaps even sign some bi lateral cooperation on the issue and implement solutions.

Otherwise, Greece is f@#cked! well and truly.
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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby Paphitis » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:02 am

For Kimon!

Australia currently recognizes the right of asylum and is a signatory to the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees. The current government policy is to detain anyone entering Australia without a valid visa. Australia is the only country in the world to mandate the strict enforcement of the detention of asylum-seekers.

The boats are often overcrowded and unsafe. Accidents are common.[10] In December 2010, a boat of refugees sank, killing 48.[13] In June 2012, an accident led to 17 confirmed deaths, with 70 other people missing.[14] More than 600 asylum seekers have been killed en route to Australian territory since 2009.


Australia is a signatory to the United Nations' Convention relating to the Status of Refugees.[15] The prolonged detention of refugees is contrary to the Convention. Detention is viewed by the United Nations Human Rights Committee (UNHCR) as a measure of last resort to be used only when national interests are threatened.[16] The UNHCR has found against Australia regarding detention of asylum seekers on multiple occasions. Specifically, the findings concluded Australia had violated Section 14 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which recognises and protects a right to justice and a fair trial.[1] The longest-held detainee within the Australian immigration detention system was Peter Qasim. Qasim was detained for six years and ten months.


the government of Paul Keating instituted a policy known as mandatory detention aimed at deterring refugees.[28] Under mandatory detention, anyone who enters the Australian migration zone without a visa is placed in a holding facility while security and health checks are performed. Additionally, the validity of the person's claim to asylum is assessed by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship.


In August 2001, a Norwegian tanker, the Tampa, picked up 438 people whose vessel was sinking off the coast of Indonesia. According to the captain, he tried to return the Afghan refugees to Indonesia, but they threatened to throw themselves overboard if he did so. Consequently, he agreed to take them to Christmas Island. Howard's government refused to allow the boat to land, saying it was a matter for Norway and Indonesia to work out amongst themselves. Neither made a move, creating a three way diplomatic standoff which became known as the Tampa Affair. Australia seized control of the ship, drawing international criticism but strong support in the country. After ten days, Australia struck a deal with New Zealand and Nauru to have those nations temporarily host the refugees while Australia processed their asylum claims.[30] Following the September 11 attacks in the US, racist rhetoric against Muslims, who were the primary asylum seekers at the time, increased in Australia.[27]

Following the Tampa Affair, the Commonwealth Migration Act (1958) was amended by Howard's government in September 2001.[31] The amendments, which became known as the Pacific Solution, prevented refugees landing on Christmas Island or Ashmore Reef from seeking asylum.[28] Instead, they were redirected to nearby island nations such as Papua New Guinea and Nauru. There, refugees had to undergo a lengthy asylum process before they could immigrate to Australia.[10] At the time, the minority Labor Party opposed the policy. In 2003, Julia Gillard promised that Labor would end the Pacific Solution "because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle".[32]

The Pacific Solution was intended to remove the incentive for refugees to come to Australia. While detained offshore, asylum-seekers under the Pacific Solution were denied access to Australian lawyers and to protection under Australian law.[1]
A Christmas Island boat transports rescued refugees

The policy was highly criticised by human rights groups.[10] The primary concern was that abusive process could potentially develop in remote locations.[33] In 2002, the arrivals dropped from 5,516 the previous year to 1.[18] From 2001 to 2007, fewer than 300 asylum seekers arrived.[28] The program cost Australia more than AU$1 billion during that period.[34] In July 2005, Australia ceased the practice of mandatory detention of children.[33]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia

Unless Greece follows these policies then Greeks will suffer.

Kimon, you actually need to be a sovereign country to be able to do things like this:

Australia currently recognizes the right of asylum and is a signatory to the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees. The current government policy is to detain anyone entering Australia without a valid visa. Australia is the only country in the world to mandate the strict enforcement of the detention of asylum-seekers.


Only mandatory detention and deportation will solve the crisis Greece faces, and if it introduces these measures Greece will come under the UN's microscope and be on a collision course with Human Rights advocates and groups. But what choice does Greece have?

GREECE NEEDS TO DO ITSELF A FAVOUR!

SEND A DELEGATION TO AUSTRALIA, AND RATIFY AUSTRALIAN LAWS ASAP!

THEN

BEEF UP BORDER SECURITY!!!


But since Greece does not have sovereignty, just sit back and await orders from Fuhrer Merkel.

As far as Australia is concerned, the UN, EU and Amnesty International can stay out of Australian Affairs.

Cheek! :roll:

Greece needs an Australian Government!

Otherwise....you end up like Greece and the rest of the EU! YUK!!!

And even if Greece does cop some HR flak, they could always turn around and say that they had to introduce Australian Laws because of National Security concerns and also point the finger towards Australia.

Australia won't care too much!!

Greece is being taken for a ride. If 3 million illegals are stuck in the Greek Quagmire, they won't get into Germany which is their destination of choice.

The EU and Germany are taking all of you fools for a ride, and I for one can't wait for Greece to take the bull by the horns. :roll:

Ate na thoume...peshevengides! :roll:
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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby stpier » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:10 pm

http://icube.milliyet.com.tr/YeniAnaResim/2013/10/24/dunyanin-konustugu-olayda-yeni-iddia-3716727.Jpeg

Bravo to Greek police? For identifying this blonde girl doesn't belong to the south Cypriot looking people? What a great achievement! Even the street cat could have done the same.
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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:28 pm

stpier wrote:http://icube.milliyet.com.tr/YeniAnaResim/2013/10/24/dunyanin-konustugu-olayda-yeni-iddia-3716727.Jpeg

Bravo to Greek police? For identifying this blonde girl doesn't belong to the south Cypriot looking people? What a great achievement! Even the street cat could have done the same.


The Roma Gypsies are from the same group of Asian nomadic people as your people who came over from the East to Anatolia in the 12th century.
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Re: The Great Greek Police - Bravo!

Postby kimon07 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:05 pm

Bilogical parents of Maria found in Bulgaria?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24657552
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