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[Jerry]

I don't usually agree with Erol's views but those who are on "I hate everything/one Turkish autopilot" simply show how effing irrational and pathetic they are. I agree with Milti on this, I hate what Turkey and its TC stooges have done to Cyprus but this bird argument is ridiculous. I used to go with my father and his mates when he went shooting in Cyprus in the 60s, they would shoot almost anything that moves. Even in those days, compared to England, there wasn't much game. As for lime sticks and nets, not only are they indiscriminate they are a bloody cruel way to kill birds.

[The subaltern]

Jerry,

Nice to hear a new voice. (I must say I have not seen you posting here before… you may have)

Regarding your post: I for one oppose Eroll66, not because of who he is but for what he is saying. I doubt his motives and I am also questioning his general stand towards his one sided bird protection, especially the propaganda put out by the fraternity.

Regarding your father and his mates going shooting during the 60s and shooting at anything. Well, your father and his mates may have done that. Would you though conclude that everyone going hunting is doing the same? If I were to use your evidence, I will not reach the same conclusion. That’s a very bad generalization influence no doubt, by what we hear from the propagandists regarding Cypriot behavior.

I have also hunter friends. They do not behave like your father and his mates. They in fact go hunting very rarely now, due to the fact that there are not many birds to hunt. Have all the birds been killed by the hungry Cypriots? Think about it. Most are migratory birds that have been decimated due to what is happening elsewhere. Like everybody else, hunters are rational animals. Once diminishing returns set in they reduce their hunting.
It can happen to the trappers as well.

Regarding cruelty: I agree with you, there is cruelty in hunting/ trapping and the like. The powers that be though, are trying very hard to make us believe that we are the only cruel barbarians. We are not; In fact less so than our accusers.

Cruelty to animals is in fact rampant in Europe. ( I exclude here cruelty to people!) Do you consider destroying the bird habitat cruel? Depriving the birds of their food sources cruel? Spraying their environment with pesticides cruel? What about battery chickens etc. I myself consider all the above even more cruel than what the trappers are doing. Because you do not see something, therefore it does not exist. It exists though here in Cyprus because we have been told it exist by the bird protectors and we take their word for it.

Regarding lime sticks, ask your father and then come back, and if I have the time I will respond. You can find my views on the subject in my previous posts anyway.

[miltiades]

Jerry,

Nice to hear a new voice. (I must say I have not seen you posting here before… you may have)

Regarding your post: I for one oppose Eroll66, not because of who he is but for what he is saying. I doubt his motives and I am also questioning his general stand towards his one sided bird protection, especially the propaganda put out by the fraternity.

Regarding your father and his mates going shooting during the 60s and shooting at anything. Well, your father and his mates may have done that. Would you though conclude that everyone going hunting is doing the same? If I were to use your evidence, I will not reach the same conclusion. That’s a very bad generalization influence no doubt, by what we hear from the propagandists regarding Cypriot behavior.

I have also hunter friends. They do not behave like your father and his mates. They in fact go hunting very rarely now, due to the fact that there are not many birds to hunt. Have all the birds been killed by the hungry Cypriots? Think about it. Most are migratory birds that have been decimated due to what is happening elsewhere. Like everybody else, hunters are rational animals. Once diminishing returns set in they reduce their hunting.
It can happen to the trappers as well.

Regarding cruelty: I agree with you, there is cruelty in hunting/ trapping and the like. The powers that be though, are trying very hard to make us believe that we are the only cruel barbarians. We are not; In fact less so than our accusers.

Cruelty to animals is in fact rampant in Europe. ( I exclude here cruelty to people!) Do you consider destroying the bird habitat cruel? Depriving the birds of their food sources cruel? Spraying their environment with pesticides cruel? What about battery chickens etc. I myself consider all the above even more cruel than what the trappers are doing. Because you do not see something, therefore it does not exist. It exists though here in Cyprus because we have been told it exist by the bird protectors and we take their word for it.

Regarding lime sticks, ask your father and then come back, and if I have the time I will respond. You can find my views on the subject in my previous posts anyway.

What exactly is Erolz saying that you find unacceptable.

Ambelopulia hunting in Cyprus is run by the mafia, cross them and you will regret it. Don't be such a fucking idiot , bird hunting in Cyprus is widespread, the reason one hardly sees any birds flying. Yes, cruelty exists elsewhere but we are mostly concerned with this " CULTURAL" activity that provides the pseudo connoisseurs with a few grams of meat. Ambelopoulia meat is crap, try archidhia xidada, now stop sponsoring this dated and cruel practice.

By the way, you have been on this forum for years so stop pretending otherwise, PLONKER !

[erolz66]

I for one oppose Eroll66, not because of who he is but for what he is saying.

I am saying nothing more and nothing less that what Birdlife Cyprus are saying. I entered this thread and discussion by linking to their reports in response to GiG's claim that illegal trapping in Cyprus was comparable to cock fighting in the UK.

I doubt his motives and I am also questioning his general stand towards his one sided bird protection, especially the propaganda put out by the fraternity.

As far as I am part of a 'fraternity' then it is a fraternity that includes those that fund, run and support Birdlife Cyprus, the majority of which are GC as it happens and there is nothing one sided about my comments or my action. It is all there in black and white. I have said explicitly

I do not blame the RoC - I blame Cypriot indifference be that TC or GC indifference.

and

Of course illegal trapping goes on across the island and I have never said otherwise.

and

I have never criticised the RoC over this issue in isolation. I have always referred to CYPRIOTS in my criticisms never the RoC alone.

and yet you STILL continue to claim that I am 'one sided'.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Jerry's generalization is ridiculous, but, I'm sure, a welcome addition to the anti-Cypriots' catalog of intentional, racist generalizations against Cyprus and its conduct.

My father too went hunting with his mates back in the 1960s and my mother always had a version of this story to tell about him, "he just went to gossip and chat with his mates until lunch was ready because the one time he shot at something, it was a rabbit which turned out to be pregnant. He was sick for a week and never shot at anything in his life again. But he still met up with his mates to hunt, na poume".

This 'hunting' was a social gathering and an excuse for an appetizing trek before food.

Tally ho as the fox-hunting season warms up for the New Year (in complete flouting of the 'law')

[Jerry]

Jerry's generalization is ridiculous, but, I'm sure, a welcome addition to the anti-Cypriots' catalog of intentional, racist generalizations against Cyprus and its conduct.

My father too went hunting with his mates back in the 1960s and my mother always had a version of this story to tell about him, "he just went to gossip and chat with his mates until lunch was ready because the one time he shot at something, it was a rabbit which turned out to be pregnant. He was sick for a week and never shot at anything in his life again. But he still met up with his mates to hunt, na poume".

This 'hunting' was a social gathering and an excuse for an appetizing trek before food.

Tally ho as the fox-hunting season warms up for the New Year (in complete flouting of the 'law')

Where's my generalisation? YOU are the one who generalises - everything Greek and Greek Cypriot is good but everything British, Turkish and Turkish Cypriot is bad. It's people like you (on both sides) with your rigid views that perpetuate the Cyprus problem. You and your kind do Cyprus no favours when you spout your hatred here for the whole world to see.

[Paphitis]

Jerry,

Nice to hear a new voice. (I must say I have not seen you posting here before… you may have)

That's pretty desperate! Cut the crap mate!

[GreekIslandGirl]

No more Lindt pressies for Xmas!

Oh dear - hoping everyone is OK out in sunny Sydney.

[Paphitis]

No more Lindt pressies for Xmas!

Oh dear - hoping everyone is OK out in sunny Sydney.

he looks like an amateur to me.

the only thing holding back the Snipers is the fact that they are unsure as to whether he has a sleeper with him or that he has indeed got bombs.

Once they gather their intelligence, and he won't surrender or starts harming civilians, he is as good as dead.

Sydney is also where the Ist and 2nd Commando regiments are based. May his God help him because he is gonna need all the help he can get.

[Paphitis]

No more Lindt pressies for Xmas!

Oh dear - hoping everyone is OK out in sunny Sydney.

he looks like an amateur to me.

the only thing holding back the Snipers is the fact that they are unsure as to whether he has a sleeper with him or that he has indeed got bombs.

Once they gather their intelligence, and he won't surrender or starts harming civilians, he is as good as dead.

Sydney is also where the Ist and 2nd Commando regiments are based. May his God help him because he is gonna need all the help he can get.

2 dead 3 injured.

Police were forced to act and stormed the building.

Other details have not been released and it is uncertain why police were forced to act - maybe the gunman was beginning or about to execute hostages.

Also uncertain whether the Gunman is included in the 2 dead, or whether it is actually 3 dead. So potentially, up to 2 civilians are dead, but I hope it's only 1.