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[B25]

Excuse me, but isn't voting meant to be for participating citizens in a recognised sovereign state?

Just why are we entertaining persons from the occupation regime to put a nobody in a position that could do us harm FFS. This must be the GCs gone mad. Where else on the planet can you get such stupidity seriously, this is like asking the Jews to vote for the Nazi to get the Nobel Peace prize. Are we due for another coup??? To rid us of these traitors?? I wonder. Then you wonder how political parties like ELAM are formed. Well when you are bombarded with such treachery it stands to reason. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am not a supporter of ELAM, but I can certainly see why they attract some people, basically those that have had enough of the BS our current politicians come up with.

[Paphitis]

Excuse me, but isn't voting meant to be for participating citizens in a recognised sovereign state?

Just why are we entertaining persons from the occupation regime to put a nobody in a position that could do us harm FFS. This must be the GCs gone mad. Where else on the planet can you get such stupidity seriously, this is like asking the Jews to vote for the Nazi to get the Nobel Peace prize. Are we due for another coup??? To rid us of these traitors?? I wonder. Then you wonder how political parties like ELAM are formed. Well when you are bombarded with such treachery it stands to reason. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am not a supporter of ELAM, but I can certainly see why they attract some people, basically those that have had enough of the BS our current politicians come up with.

Because you're not entertaining people from the regime and they ARE RoC citizens. If the RoC excludes them then we lose face and credibility with the EU and International Community and the regime will just say the RoC does not allow its TC citizens to participate in the elections and gain some justification for their presence.

I am really surprised that you can't see that!

[B25]

Excuse me, but isn't voting meant to be for participating citizens in a recognised sovereign state?

Just why are we entertaining persons from the occupation regime to put a nobody in a position that could do us harm FFS. This must be the GCs gone mad. Where else on the planet can you get such stupidity seriously, this is like asking the Jews to vote for the Nazi to get the Nobel Peace prize. Are we due for another coup??? To rid us of these traitors?? I wonder. Then you wonder how political parties like ELAM are formed. Well when you are bombarded with such treachery it stands to reason. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am not a supporter of ELAM, but I can certainly see why they attract some people, basically those that have had enough of the BS our current politicians come up with.

Because you're not entertaining people from the regime and they ARE RoC citizens. If the RoC excludes them then we lose face and credibility with the EU and International Community and the regime will just say the RoC does not allow its TC citizens to participate in the elections and gain some justification for their presence.

I am really surprised that you can't see that!

I can see that, but that is the same excuse that is being used to bend us over. They are entitled to all the so called rights, us?? Turkey doesn't give a rats about upsetting the EU/UN/US/UK or any other bugger why should we. We have a very good reason to stop all these freebies, why they want to be real RoC citizens they can come live here and be coulnted. Diladi, ta dika tous dika tous, kai ta dika mas pale dika tous re Paphiti.

That is my point. I detest all these services we give to these people in the occupation regime and then they use them against us. stanathema na pasin.

Oh and my definition of citizen obviously differs from yours. Mine would be citizens abiding by the rule of law in the RoC, pay their dues to the RoC and defend the RoC, NOT persons residing in the occupation regimes area, with no contributions, no allegiance to the RoC and calling for Cyprus to be Turkish.
Just look at the posters here, see anyone supporting the RoC, VP, the typical TC who doesn't even want Greek spoken around his kids. Now you tell me.

[Paphitis]

Excuse me, but isn't voting meant to be for participating citizens in a recognised sovereign state?

Just why are we entertaining persons from the occupation regime to put a nobody in a position that could do us harm FFS. This must be the GCs gone mad. Where else on the planet can you get such stupidity seriously, this is like asking the Jews to vote for the Nazi to get the Nobel Peace prize. Are we due for another coup??? To rid us of these traitors?? I wonder. Then you wonder how political parties like ELAM are formed. Well when you are bombarded with such treachery it stands to reason. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am not a supporter of ELAM, but I can certainly see why they attract some people, basically those that have had enough of the BS our current politicians come up with.

Because you're not entertaining people from the regime and they ARE RoC citizens. If the RoC excludes them then we lose face and credibility with the EU and International Community and the regime will just say the RoC does not allow its TC citizens to participate in the elections and gain some justification for their presence.

I am really surprised that you can't see that!

I can see that, but that is the same excuse that is being used to bend us over. They are entitled to all the so called rights, us?? Turkey doesn't give a rats about upsetting the EU/UN/US/UK or any other bugger why should we. We have a very good reason to stop all these freebies, why they want to be real RoC citizens they can come live here and be coulnted. Diladi, ta dika tous dika tous, kai ta dika mas pale dika tous re Paphiti.

That is my point. I detest all these services we give to these people in the occupation regime and then they use them against us. stanathema na pasin.

Oh and my definition of citizen obviously differs from yours. Mine would be citizens abiding by the rule of law in the RoC, pay their dues to the RoC and defend the RoC, NOT persons residing in the occupation regimes area, with no contributions, no allegiance to the RoC and calling for Cyprus to be Turkish.
Just look at the posters here, see anyone supporting the RoC, VP, the typical TC who doesn't even want Greek spoken around his kids. Now you tell me.

The Turks play all sorts of games.

It's really up to us to know the difference and to know how to play their game. For instance, taking away a TCs citizenship or stopping them from voting is not a good move and that would be a victory for Turkey because we would lose our credibility whilst they gain some justification and propaganda ammunition.

Letting them "bend us over" at the negotiations is another matter. Our politicians need to learn how to negotiate and how to manipulate as much as possible in our favour.

As to the question of allegiance, there are many TCs who do not have any allegiance to the occupation regime. Others that do and are using their RoC IDs for their personal gain. Unfortunately, we are not in a position to discriminate or take away those rights.

This forum attracts the more fanatical type of TC. It is always the fanatics that are the loudest everywhere so it is the fanatics that are more likely to be on this forum. They are not a good representation of the majority of TCs who you might classify as moderates. Usually the moderates are the ones that stay quiet. Also, it's not very easy to speak out as a TC against the regime. There would be an element of fear as well. Even for flying the RoC Flag in the occupied zone you could be arrested or targeted by some fanatical vigilantes such as the Grey Wolves.

The RoC's agenda is to maintain the notion that it is the only sovereign country on the island. As the sovereign and legal entity on the island, we are obligated to also represent all citizens and to treat everyone equally. That includes those TCs that hold the RoC's citizenship. of course Turkey would love it if that is not the case.

[bill cobbett]

Well, exceptional circumstances need exceptional solutions and whereas the Republic has bent the usual rules to accommodate the majority voting, it missed the chance to go further.

Anyways, here's a link to the big but not big enough list (by ID Card numbers only) of those who will be able to vote by turning up at the designated polling stations with their ID Cards...

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/Belgeler/e ... log_tc.pdf

[B25]

Really Bill, who gives a F, seriously.

[bill cobbett]

Really Bill, who gives a F, seriously.

Who gives an F...??? Well, those who think that every government, anywhere, at all times and in all circumstances and at a very minimum, respects the HR of all of the citizenry to vote at all elections.

Who gives a F...??? Those who are not fearful of what the other person has to say, who feel and feel strongly, that in our western-style, liberal and Inclusive Democracies everyone has chance to be heard, that everyone is included.

(For the alternative file, look across the northern waters to Turkey, esp over the past year)

[Paphitis]

Really Bill, who gives a F, seriously.

B25,

for the RoC it is a case of needing to choose their battles very carefully. You got to know when to hold me and when to fold em.

[bill cobbett]

Here's another view, one from Πέτρος Ευδόκας, aimed at greek-speakers of why he is supporting Sener Levent...

" ... Ποιός θα μπορούσε ποτέ να το προβλέψει πως ο ΤΚύπριος υποψήφιος Σενέρ Λεβέντ θα παρουσιαζόταν στο προσκήνιο της ιστορίας όντας εκείνος που ενσαρκώνει τις πιο σωστές θέσεις για τον ελληνισμό της Κύπρου; Οι οποίες αυτόματα - εξ' ορισμού - είναι ταυτόχρονα και οι πιο σωστές θέσεις και για την τουρκοκυπριακή κοινότητα... "ποιός μας το παραλάλεν, γιέ μου, να δούμε έτσι μέρες;" - αυτά λεν οι γιαγιάδες στα χωριά.

Ο Σενέρ με κίνδυνο της ζωής του αρθρώνει διαχρονικά και δημόσια λόγο ενάντια στην κατοχή, εμμένει στο ότι ο στρατός κατοχής πρέπει να φύγει και μαζί του να φύγουν και οι έποικοι, εμμένει στον Σοσιαλισμό, δηλώνει ανοικτά αντι-ιμπεριαλιστής, είναι υπέρ της επιστροφής όλων ανεξαιρέτως των προσφύγων στα σπίτια τους με όλα τα ανθρώπινα, νομικά και συνταγματικά δικαιώματα για όλους εξ' ίσου, τοποθετείται ενάντια στη ρατσιστική Διζωνική, είναι ενάντια στην Τρόϊκα και το Μνημόνιο, και έχει αφιερώσει μεγάλο μέρος της ζωής του υπέρ της συμφιλίωσης των δύο κοινοτήτων. Υπάρχει οποιοσδήποτε ΕΚύπριος υποψήφιος που να αξίζει ΠΙΟ πολύ την ψήφο μας; ... "

Roughly and briefly and selectively for English-speakers...

" ...Who could imagine that Sener Levent would be the candidate whose positions are closest to the greek-speakers of CY? ... and which should be the correct positions of ... [the CYs of the Occupied Areas]

Time and time again, Mr Levent has articulated against the occupation, has said that the occupation has to end and take the settlers, has said that all refugees should be able to return to their homes, has spoken against any racist zonal arrangement, has spoken against the Troika and who has dedicated so much of his life to reconciliation.

Do any of the GC candidates deserve our support more [than Sener Levent] ... ??? ... "

From... http://cyprus.indymedia.org/node/4930

... oh, and here's a nice picture for you all...

[repulsewarrior]

..oh look! what a beautiful mountain, no scars; shouldn't it say something enosis scrawled across it?

...once again, if it wasn't for this man, we would not know there is a flaw that festers within the Cypriot electoral system, and I am heartened to see that many Cypriots feel the same way, about Democracy, and Justice, seen. he deserves the vote of every Cypriot who craves more transparency, a change in the dialog, to deal with the issues, which based on Universal Principals, solving them; is this not what an EU MP is all about? (is this not, the Cypriot way?)