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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:44 am

Were you delirious Mr NG...??? , when you wrote...

... " ... Why shouldn't VP be liked and respected, he is expressing his views on a forum that gives him that right. He takes insults and attacks on daily basis for expressing his views. He has my sympathy and my support. I have no reason to believe he is a fascist and you have no right to makes such remarks. ... "


So you like a self-confessed Racist, do you, Mr NG...??? ... some one who has been telling us for years he doesn't want to hear greek spoken near his children...???

... and you respect someone who finds no problem with the extra-judicial murders of Solomos Solomou and Tassos Issac ...???

Do you really share VP's oft-expressed and sickening view that it's perfectly OK to shoot-dead someone climbing a flag-pole, Mr NG...???

... and you find no problem with the view that it's acceptable to club someone to death whilst they're caught up in barbed-wire..???

Do you share VP's view that there was no need for the inconvenience of judicial process in those murders, Mr NG...???

You see Mr NG me dear, many will be thinking that your assessment is at the very least remarkably seriously flawed if you think that these two of VP's views aren't the views of a Fascist.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:36 am

...I'm scratching my head zan, sorry, what are you talking about?

I have never condoned violence but again you choose to ignore reality. The UN stood by and watched as TCs suffered. I think those incidents were political and not the disorder you claim. A clear signal to the UN that was supposed to be patrolling and controlling the area. Wished it hadn't happened but it was the disorder of politics and not the stamp you are giving it. :roll:


...there is a photo with the so called, Minister of the Interior, who is firing his own gun, from the look-out tower. you would like to blame the UN, but it was the Turkish Army, that lost its discipline, and in affect, it was placed in danger by their own authority, so that if there was any trouble, it could only end in a melee. zan, were these soldiers returning fire?

...correct me if I'm wrong, we are talking about Solomou, aren't we? who are the TCs as you call them who suffered? and if it was not disorder, then it is as you say, political. how is it a warning to the UN, is it much like Erdogan at the UN HQ, roughing up security guards, (they should have known better) because trying to be helpful they tried to prevent him from going through the wrong door?

...I ask, who in the Army was given better training, who in Government stood up to defend basic Universal Principals, that no one should die by incompetence, and/or accidents (read: incidence, to be polite), should not happen when the Turkish Army is involved. one day zan you will have to choose, it happened in Gezi, it can happen in Nicosia, for your sake I hope that my fears are wrong, there is no denial, and as a lesson the Officers have taken it very seriously, in shame, so that one day when they face you, instead of "Greeks" they are not so apt to fire, because they are better able to manage dissent, and they are better able in defending themselves under these circumstances; I have been through all this with vp, but ok, let's have a go, if there is any good in the event, I think I've described it, with a few simple questions, wouldn't you say zan, i have represented the words of a Patriot, better than vp?. as a Human side to murder, don't you think I've hit the nail on the head, wouldn't it be better, for Turkishness, if such questions were asked, almost automatically, by yourselves, instead of behaviour, described by Nixon once, as criminally paranoid. how can you continue to blame anyone but "yourself", after all these years, still dependent on the charity of "Greeks", if you live or die a "Turk"?

...wake-up, I will say it again, the Republic is not your enemy, and Cyprus is worth fighting for, neither "Greek" nor "Turkish", Free, so that as Individuals, whatever we are in 50-200 years from now, we can function, as Cypriots. without this Flag higher, we will remain, not Cypriots, and likely at War, as we are today impotent and uneasy, if we choose not to defend each other against those who cannot see Cyprus as something which in itself should be cherished, then for "them" we will live in the world of the temporary forever, at "Peace", in the spaces between.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:29 am

MRfromNG thank you very much for your kind words and acknowledging the flack I take on this forum for expressing the opinions of the majority of average TCs. Apologies for the attacks you are now facing from those idiots that take what you say twist it into their own warped mindset and then try and get other to believe it, stupid is stupid and no matter how much you try to express your viewpoint they will still be stupid and in the grand scheme of things dont really have a say or count.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby zan » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:05 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...I'm scratching my head zan, sorry, what are you talking about?

I have never condoned violence but again you choose to ignore reality. The UN stood by and watched as TCs suffered. I think those incidents were political and not the disorder you claim. A clear signal to the UN that was supposed to be patrolling and controlling the area. Wished it hadn't happened but it was the disorder of politics and not the stamp you are giving it. :roll:


...there is a photo with the so called, Minister of the Interior, who is firing his own gun, from the look-out tower. you would like to blame the UN, but it was the Turkish Army, that lost its discipline, and in affect, it was placed in danger by their own authority, so that if there was any trouble, it could only end in a melee. zan, were these soldiers returning fire?

...correct me if I'm wrong, we are talking about Solomou, aren't we? who are the TCs as you call them who suffered? and if it was not disorder, then it is as you say, political. how is it a warning to the UN, is it much like Erdogan at the UN HQ, roughing up security guards, (they should have known better) because trying to be helpful they tried to prevent him from going through the wrong door?

...I ask, who in the Army was given better training, who in Government stood up to defend basic Universal Principals, that no one should die by incompetence, and/or accidents (read: incidence, to be polite), should not happen when the Turkish Army is involved. one day zan you will have to choose, it happened in Gezi, it can happen in Nicosia, for your sake I hope that my fears are wrong, there is no denial, and as a lesson the Officers have taken it very seriously, in shame, so that one day when they face you, instead of "Greeks" they are not so apt to fire, because they are better able to manage dissent, and they are better able in defending themselves under these circumstances; I have been through all this with vp, but ok, let's have a go, if there is any good in the event, I think I've described it, with a few simple questions, wouldn't you say zan, i have represented the words of a Patriot, better than vp?. as a Human side to murder, don't you think I've hit the nail on the head, wouldn't it be better, for Turkishness, if such questions were asked, almost automatically, by yourselves, instead of behaviour, described by Nixon once, as criminally paranoid. how can you continue to blame anyone but "yourself", after all these years, still dependent on the charity of "Greeks", if you live or die a "Turk"?

...wake-up, I will say it again, the Republic is not your enemy, and Cyprus is worth fighting for, neither "Greek" nor "Turkish", Free, so that as Individuals, whatever we are in 50-200 years from now, we can function, as Cypriots. without this Flag higher, we will remain, not Cypriots, and likely at War, as we are today impotent and uneasy, if we choose not to defend each other against those who cannot see Cyprus as something which in itself should be cherished, then for "them" we will live in the world of the temporary forever, at "Peace", in the spaces between.



Who were the TCs that suffered. Are you kidding me. Ok, maybe you are not understanding the time line? My aunt nearly died of malnutrition and disease through Makarios not allowing simple medicines, not even babies milk to pass through to the besieged TCs in the 60s. The UN were supposed to be patrolling and controlling the buffer zone but they stood by and did nothing. My brother in law was rounded up and nearly pistol whipped to death by Nicosia Sampsons gang while the UN stood and watched. I hear tales of only the Canadian soldiers leaving their weapons unattended so that maybe we could at least defend ourselves a little...... You get the picture? Fast forward to Solomou era. The UN again expected to patrol and control the buffer zone. They allow people to wander into it to make political statements and risk life and limb of the whole country by maybe starting another bigger war. Most people would call it cynical but like the rest you make political gain out of it. In the 60s, Turkey were not able to influence, on the ground, and counter the possibility of more deaths of TCs. They could when they did and they did. You guys are very subjective with your incidents. Maybe not able to connect pieces of the puzzle or simply not willing. It suits your purposes regardless. So when you forsake hundreds of thousands of people left in limbo so that........ What? We can grieve for one man? We do!! We wish the whole thing had not happened and is not happening. So when you ask us to fly the flag of "Cyprus" higher than all others, which Cyprus are you talking about? The one in which every little move we make deemed a political gesture? Every opening is closed? Every constitutional right denied? Every historical event distorted? Where water, the basic need of every living thing seen as a weapon. Something that could see both communities benefit. A Cyprus that calls me brother from the outside of a cell and that feeds me bread and water until I capitulate? You ask too much :roll:
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby zan » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:57 am

bill cobbett wrote:Were you delirious Mr NG...??? , when you wrote...

... " ... Why shouldn't VP be liked and respected, he is expressing his views on a forum that gives him that right. He takes insults and attacks on daily basis for expressing his views. He has my sympathy and my support. I have no reason to believe he is a fascist and you have no right to makes such remarks. ... "


So you like a self-confessed Racist, do you, Mr NG...??? ... some one who has been telling us for years he doesn't want to hear greek spoken near his children...???

... and you respect someone who finds no problem with the extra-judicial murders of Solomos Solomou and Tassos Issac ...???

Do you really share VP's oft-expressed and sickening view that it's perfectly OK to shoot-dead someone climbing a flag-pole, Mr NG...???

... and you find no problem with the view that it's acceptable to club someone to death whilst they're caught up in barbed-wire..???

Do you share VP's view that there was no need for the inconvenience of judicial process in those murders, Mr NG...???

You see Mr NG me dear, many will be thinking that your assessment is at the very least remarkably seriously flawed if you think that these two of VP's views aren't the views of a Fascist.


VP racist? That's choice coming from you. Ever read any of your own posts? I don't think so. But then you are a whore. A dancer for money and any old coinage will do. Any of your EOKA customers been prosecuted yet?
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:01 am

zan wrote:Erm! Because that area was NOT patrolled by the UN :roll:


You don't think it's because he was a Kurd and not a GC?

After all, Turkey did everything in it's power to make sure the GCs would not want to come back to the northern part of Cyprus by killing and raping thousands of GCs in '74 invasion as well as throwing out thousands more from their homes and giving it to her own people. So murdering to more GCs in '96 to remind the GCs of Turkish position is not a consideration on your part, but instead, you come up with this "revenge against the UN" proposal. Really?
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby zan » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:14 am

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:Erm! Because that area was NOT patrolled by the UN :roll:


You don't think it's because he was a Kurd and not a GC?

After all, Turkey did everything in it's power to make sure the GCs would not want to come back to the northern part of Cyprus by killing and raping thousands of GCs in '74 invasion as well as throwing out thousands more from their homes and giving it to her own people. So murdering to more GCs in '96 to remind the GCs of Turkish position is not a consideration on your part, but instead, you come up with this "revenge against the UN" proposal. Really?



Really? Nothing about the 6000 Makarios supporters murdered and raped by their own even before Turkey set one foot on the island. All Turkey huh? This is not about revenge on the UN. It is about truth and reality that you seem to struggle with. Turkey took part of the island as a refuge for a condemned people. They have allowed the GC people to continue there existence and prosper. Can you say the same for the GCs and the rest allowing the TCs to even breath?
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:22 am

zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:Erm! Because that area was NOT patrolled by the UN :roll:


You don't think it's because he was a Kurd and not a GC?

After all, Turkey did everything in it's power to make sure the GCs would not want to come back to the northern part of Cyprus by killing and raping thousands of GCs in '74 invasion as well as throwing out thousands more from their homes and giving it to her own people. So murdering to more GCs in '96 to remind the GCs of Turkish position is not a consideration on your part, but instead, you come up with this "revenge against the UN" proposal. Really?



Really? Nothing about the 6000 Makarios supporters murdered and raped by their own even before Turkey set one foot on the island. All Turkey huh? This is not about revenge on the UN. It is about truth and reality that you seem to struggle with. Turkey took part of the island as a refuge for a condemned people. They have allowed the GC people to continue there existence and prosper. Can you say the same for the GCs and the rest allowing the TCs to even breath?


So you don't think it was the master plan by Turkey and Denktash to make the TCs suffer by their own people to facilitate a partition, a dream conceived way before 1974, way before 1963, way before 1960 and way before 1959 Zurich agreements? The Zurich agreements were specially designed to facilitate the partition of Cyprus by Turkey, Greece and the UK. Sure the TCs suffered and no one can deny that, but just blaming Makarios is doing disservice to those TCs who had suffered and killed.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby zan » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:44 am

Kiks wrote:

So you don't think it was the master plan by Turkey and Denktash to make the TCs suffer by their own people to facilitate a partition, a dream conceived way before 1974, way before 1963, way before 1960 and way before 1959 Zurich agreements? The Zurich agreements were specially designed to facilitate the partition of Cyprus by Turkey, Greece and the UK. Sure the TCs suffered and no one can deny that, but just blaming Makarios is doing disservice to those TCs who had suffered and killed.

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Now we are getting somewhere! Yes to all!!!! But not the whole story from you as usual. The plans were against ENOSIS that has been going on for much longer than any of those you claim. Makarios was my time and had he not seen the opportunity to play Russia off against the rest and achieve his ENOSIS in spite of all that was happening then Turkey would not have had the chance to use the situation to their political needs. It is a big world out there and all of them have used whatever they need because less than a million people on a little island did not matter. It is just that the TCs have been left holding the shittiest end of the stick and still being manipulated and our GC counterparts are still keen to use that. I will be totally honest here and say that I was holding out hope for this Chris person who calls himself the president of Cyprus. I likened him to Bannaniot for some reason and really hoping he was the one that would show understanding. Whether he is being bullied or he is just another crook looking out for himself, it has been a great disappointment. A man that voted for the AP is now falling into the rut of others.

If by Turkey and Denktas making TCs suffer to force them into something they didn't want....... What did the GCs do to counter that? Stop babies milk and simple medicines? Call us back into government to stop Turkey doing anything? No! They used the situation and still are while TCs still suffer. Waiting for a time that suits them to take the whole island politically if not by war. Shame you are buying into this scam. But I believe you have your own agenda anyway. Another antagonist to go with the others.


Anyway.... Me and the Mrs are off to watch a film on the history of Malta. Somehow they seem to have navigated their way through a similar history. I have met people who despise and those who accept but none are under siege and isolated from the world.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:35 pm

zan wrote:

Really? Nothing about the 6000 Makarios supporters murdered and raped by their own even before Turkey set one foot on the island. All Turkey huh? This is not about revenge on the UN. It is about truth and reality that you seem to struggle with. Turkey took part of the island as a refuge for a condemned people. They have allowed the GC people to continue there existence and prosper. Can you say the same for the GCs and the rest allowing the TCs to even breath?


The teller of porkies is back in a big, big way...

Go on me son... add a few more noughts to your rubbish.
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