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Re: NATURAL GAS RESERVES MAY UNITE SEPARATED PEOPLE OF CYPRU

Postby zan » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:23 am

Get Real! wrote:A quick roundup of news affecting Turkey...

First the bad news: :(

Turkey fails test as regional power
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-351752- ... atred.html

Foreign trade gap hits $31.6 bln in first 5 months
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-351721- ... onths.html

Droughts a thing of the past with sixth desalination plant
http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/06/30/droug ... ion-plant/

And now the good news: :lol:

Solar-powered donkeys carry Internet for Turkish sheepherders
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/solar- ... sCatID=374




Mmmmmmm.... Let me think.....GR disappears while certain taeam in the World Cup.....they get knocked out and he comes back angry........blames luck on giant flag.....I get helped once..... But twice is out of the question... Mmmmmmmm.... Why not just ban me :lol: :oops: did I say that out loud :lol: oh! And now claims to be an Arab. :!:
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Re: NATURAL GAS RESERVES MAY UNITE SEPARATED PEOPLE OF CYPRU

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:55 pm

zan wrote:Mmmmmmm.... Let me think.....GR disappears while certain taeam in the World Cup.....they get knocked out and he comes back angry........blames luck on giant flag.....I get helped once..... But twice is out of the question... Mmmmmmmm.... Why not just ban me :lol: :oops: did I say that out loud :lol: oh! And now claims to be an Arab. :!:

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Err, what happened to Zanny? :?

He's gone bonkers... :(
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Re: NATURAL GAS RESERVES MAY UNITE SEPARATED PEOPLE OF CYPRU

Postby boomerang » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:49 pm

another good reason as far as the roc is concerned if vasilikos plant goes ahead it will provide job opportunities to the local market....why export jobs to any other country...
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Postby kurupetos » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:36 pm

boomerang wrote:another good reason as far as the roc is concerned if vasilikos plant goes ahead it will provide job opportunities to the local market....why export jobs to any other country...

Don't bet on it, because local employers are always keen to import foreign workers.

If the government doesn't change the laws and restrict the free movement of workers, there is no hope to reduce unemployment rates.
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Re: NATURAL GAS RESERVES MAY UNITE SEPARATED PEOPLE OF CYPRU

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:51 pm

I reckon Erdo will always produce the most gas no matter how many quantities his neighbors tap into… and I’m talking natural gas here! 8)
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Re: NATURAL GAS RESERVES MAY UNITE SEPARATED PEOPLE OF CYPRU

Postby Nikitas » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:54 am

Offshore, to the south, oil and gas confound Turkey. Davut had just written a 64 page treatise on the demise of the RoC, describing it as the "late" Republic, and "moribund" and up comes the gas with US companies being involved in the exploitation and the EU needing the gas in view of Russia's games in the Ukraine.

These development come on top of EU membership. It looks like events are proving Davut's forecast of a demise a little premature. Both the EU membership and the gas find reinforce the RoC.

None of the local "powers" not even Israel, have the ability to exploit the offshore oil and gas finds. The only way to do this is via partnerships with the oil companies or via outright leases to them. The only entity that can offer legal contracts to these companies is the RoC. These companies are corporate citizens of the most powerful nation states in the world and their interests are protected by powerful navies and air forces.

The situation seems to indicate anything but closer cooperation between the two communities. No reasonable capitalist would want to introduce a veto wielding new party into the negotiations. The capitalist class in the south has no incentive to share the new found wealth. The north is offering no incentive, it holds no valid cards here. In fact the reverse is true. After a generation of touting "two peoples", "two nations" it can hardly lay claim to resources clearly and unequivocally laying in the southern EEZ. Notice how the RoC refrained from pressing its legal right and offer exploration licenses to the northern EEZ.

To the above I add something else, which did not exist before- the breaking of the Partition Taboo in Greek public opinion. This year, for the first time, Greek media are openly discussing the option of a "silk divorce" in the form of an agreed partition. In the past any open and public mention of Partition would have raised hell. Not now. The most recent pro partition article was by respected political commentator Lygeros. The Greek side is seeing the opportunities underlying partition: by a unilateral ceding of territory and recognition of the TRNC the RoC can get rid of the problem and have the southern EEZ eclusively to itself. The result would leave a long EEZ stretching from Israel to Italy in Greek hands underwritten by American, French and Italian interests.

It is interesting that on July 1 Greece presented the geoseismic surveys for its own oil and gas fields to the south and west, areas beyond any possible claim by Turkey. All the oil majors were present at the London presentation.

It looks like the TCs are about to gain a pyrrhic victory, and get official approval for Partition and Enosis of the north with Turkey, from where they can watch the south prosper and flourish as an energy center. What we need now is Davut to write another long treatise, maybe this time be on the right tack, that the best way to solve the problem is to get all rivals OUT of Cyprus and find a way to guarantee independence. It will take time, but it will dawn on him eventually.
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Re: NATURAL GAS RESERVES MAY UNITE SEPARATED PEOPLE OF CYPRU

Postby erolz66 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:18 pm

Nikitas wrote:To the above I add something else, which did not exist before- the breaking of the Partition Taboo in Greek public opinion.


Sorry I am confused here. Are you saying it is Greek public opinion that determines if the RoC will countenance and seek a 'silk divorce' ? Surely it is public opinion in the republic of CYPRUS that will determine this or not ?

Nikitas wrote:It looks like the TCs are about to gain a pyrrhic victory, and get official approval for Partition ....


As a TC I would not consider agreed partition a 'victory', pyrrhic or otherwise, but I would consider it better than the status quo we have now and have had since 74. If the cost of such is forgoing of rights to any resources in the EEZ of whatever part of Cyprus we end up divorcing from, its a cost I am more than happy to pay. Personally my belief is that any (as yet unrealised) flood of revenue that does accrue from these resources will be a disaster for Cyprus (north or south) in the medium and long term rather than a benefit. We will piss any such windfall up against the wall and use them to prop up and continue unsustainable bloated civil service and SGO jobs, uncompetitive industries and the Cypriot tradition of political parties paying supporters with jobs, salary increases and privileges - and when these windfall resources dry up, as they inevitably must, we will face an economic crisis that will make the recent EU bail out seem like a walk in the park. Call me a cynic, a pessimist of just a realistic Cypriot as you like.
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Re: NATURAL GAS RESERVES MAY UNITE SEPARATED PEOPLE OF CYPRU

Postby boulio » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:07 pm

i agree nikitas i see a agreed partition being worked with the tc returning land for recognition.I read lygeros article as well he advocates the tc state not being part of turkey but being fast tracked into the EU.
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Re: NATURAL GAS RESERVES MAY UNITE SEPARATED PEOPLE OF CYPRU

Postby erolz66 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:16 pm

boulio wrote:i agree nikitas i see a agreed partition being worked with the tc returning land for recognition.I read lygeros article as well he advocates the tc state not being part of turkey but being fast tracked into the EU.


So who is this 'Lygeros' person ? A Greek or a Cypriot ?
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Postby boulio » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:26 pm

a very well respected greek journelist.
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