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[Get Real!]

Israeli officer: I was right to shoot 13-year-old child

"An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.
The officer, identified by the army only as Captain R, was charged this week with illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and other relatively minor infractions after emptying all 10 bullets from his gun's magazine into Iman al-Hams when she walked into a "security area" on the edge of Rafah refugee camp last month."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel

[Get Real!]

Nearly 300 Palestinian children killed, says UN

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ys-UN.html

[Paphitis]

Israeli officer: I was right to shoot 13-year-old child

"An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.
The officer, identified by the army only as Captain R, was charged this week with illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and other relatively minor infractions after emptying all 10 bullets from his gun's magazine into Iman al-Hams when she walked into a "security area" on the edge of Rafah refugee camp last month."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel

If this is true, then it is good to see that the IDF has a sound Military Justice System and the Israeli "Officer" will be dealt with accordingly.

After dishonorable discharge, civil charges of murder can be bought about as the accused is not immune from the Civil System. At least that is how it works in Australia. Not sure how it works with the IDF. I am hoping similar rules apply there and that this "Officer" has to answer for the crime he is accused of and dealt with accordingly with a very lengthy jail sentence.

[Paphitis]

Nearly 300 Palestinian children killed, says UN

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ys-UN.html

Not trying to play devil's advocate or anything but I do feel appalled at the terrible loss of innocent lives in this conflict.

However, I am not sure why you blame the Israelis for that. I say this because the IDF made a pretty good attempt of upholding the Geneva Convention, by dropping leaflets and broadcasting evacuation instructions before military operations would commence.

I don't hear you accusing Hamas which is just as much to blame, if not more, for sending quite a few thousand rockets over the border and using a network of Tunnels to attack nearby Israeli towns.

Even now the Israelis still refuse to negotiate with Hamas, which is understandable, since the organisation has an interesting Constitution of Articles, and Israel is in the process of unilaterally withdrawing from the area.

The only thing you can say is that the response was heavy handed, and that may be true to an extent, but ask yourself this - how would other countries respond?

Unfortunately, it's always the innocent that suffer the most. Hamas, on the other hand, have an existence of privilege. They have the money, the hide outs, the weapons, the medicines, and the caviar, whereas those not in Hamas go day to day and have to dodge the IDF shelling.

Hopefully, Hamas' military capability has been dismantled substantially and we don't hear from them for quite a while otherwise the IDF will come back and I am certain Hamas don't care about that either. It's like the 72 hour humanitarian ceasefire.

They want to draw the IDF into Gaza.

[Get Real!]

Not trying to play devil's advocate or anything but I do feel appalled at the terrible loss of innocent lives in this conflict.

If you’re not up to scratch with the EXACT details of this debacle then close your mouth and move on.

At the very least you should show some respect to the 2,000 odd victims of the Israeli war crimes and just SHUT IT!

Don't respond to this.

[Get Real!]

At the moment, and for the last 7 decades, I would say Germany has been conducting a systematic genocide on the Greek people (in this respect, it has joined Turkey who has been doing this for centuries).

The latest measure imposed on the rapidly diminishing population of Greek people is that they must pay extra taxes if they have more than 3 children. Guaranteed extinction!

Oo là là ... and in France, you get more money the more children you produce ....

Don't post any more stupidities in this thread.

[Paphitis]

Well you're not answering the questions I pose to you and resort to insults. That is very telling because a non reply to the question at hand is in fact a very solid reply and it indicates several things! We will get into that a bit later!

There are 3 types of observers in this conflict.

They are as follows:

1) Those who without question support Israel,
2) those who without question support Hamas,
3) and finally those who support the Palestinians.

I know which group I belong to and I am seeing which group you belong to.

Those who support either Israel or Hamas adhere to a one eyed argument. Both still try to give the illusion that they actually care for the Palestinians. The fascists at least are honest and will show their true self rather than hide behind their little finger like a dirty cockroach.

Those that actually do support the Palestinians, as opposed to Hamas, are less willing to score cheap political points. The actually see and analyze the real events and from that come to quite reasonable conclusions.

You actually claim that Israel has committed war crimes in your opinion. Completely false I might add. You are one sided so you support Hamas.

Therefore, DO NOT PRETEND to even give a shit about the Palestinians. The IDF is a lot more considerate than you can ever be because they did their best to limit casualties in responding to attacks on them. FACT!

[miltiades]

"Therefore, DO NOT PRETEND to even give a shit about the Palestinians. The IDF is a lot more considerate than you can ever be because they did their best to limit casualties in responding to attacks on them. FACT! 2
This complete and utter psychopath does not give a shit either about the Palestinians or anyone else for that mater. So full of hatred he is for the West and Israel in particular that makes me wonder why on earth is he still in Cyprus and not in Gaza helping his brothers , Hamas who brought upon their very own people death, pain and misery. This Islamist terrorist group do not give a toss about their own people, they just want to destroy Israel at any cost.

Why has Israel embarked on this painful war ? To stop the lunatics from continually and daily fire rockets at Israel.

[Paphitis]

"Therefore, DO NOT PRETEND to even give a shit about the Palestinians. The IDF is a lot more considerate than you can ever be because they did their best to limit casualties in responding to attacks on them. FACT! 2
This complete and utter psychopath does not give a shit either about the Palestinians or anyone else for that mater. So full of hatred he is for the West and Israel in particular that makes me wonder why on earth is he still in Cyprus and not in Gaza helping his brothers , Hamas who brought upon their very own people death, pain and misery. This Islamist terrorist group do not give a toss about their own people, they just want to destroy Israel at any cost.

Why has Israel embarked on this painful war ? To stop the lunatics from continually and daily fire rockets at Israel.

Well Miltiades,

It is very obvious to me that some people view this war as a means to get to the US. So one eyed is their politics, they take from the conflict what they want and reject all other information.

Even the US has actually sided somewhat with the Palestinians and not with Israel or Hamas. Analyze the rhetoric and the political posturing and there can be no other conclusion. I am on the side of the Palestinians. Therefore, I try to look at the facts and not resort to passionate cries of war crimes on one side or terrorism on the Palestinian side (which is not the case).

It is true that the majority of Palestinians are actually innocent. Hamas is NOT!

Make no mistake. The Palestinians are the meat in the sandwich between HAMAS and Israel.

[miltiades]

I entirely agree that its the innocent Palestinians who are bearing the brunt of this ugly war. I too support the right of Palestinians to be free and have their own nation, free from constant wars sparked by Hamas in their "struggle" to destroy Israel. If they had any sense they would know by now that I Israel will never be destroyed and the best option available to them is to make peace for the sake of their own people.

Sadly these people, Hamas, believe that their non existent god is on their side and will help them defeat and destroy Israel.

If only both Israel and Palestine respected each others human rights to live in peace without constantly fearing for their lives, strange how both are religious and both believe in a compassionate god !!!