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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:37 am

Maximus wrote:From a scientific perspective I believe it and although a lot of it goes well over my head, another scientist could disprove it if the proof provided is unsubstantiated.

If you are going to employ science to explain something then it has to be precise because mathematics and physics are involved.

Religion and science are two different subjects. Religion is more of an art and science is science.


Science is an evolving beast.

Yes of course, some things could be wrong and another Scientists will come up with evidence to expand on previous laws and theories. Science began with the Ancient Greeks, but Scientists today have added to some of the initial findings of the Ancients and disproven others. That's what Science is all about.

But you believe that God created the Big Bang well the laws of Physics as we know today state that something (such as the Big bang) can't just simply occur without cause or effect. Quantum Physics has an explanation as to what exactly did occur before the big bang.

But since the laws of Physics claim that everything has a cause and effect, and that god created the big bang, how on earth did God just appear out of nothing? There has to be a cause and effect for his existence as well. So who created God???
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Maximus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:41 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:From a scientific perspective I believe it and although a lot of it goes well over my head, another scientist could disprove it if the proof provided is unsubstantiated.

If you are going to employ science to explain something then it has to be precise because mathematics and physics are involved.

Religion and science are two different subjects. Religion is more of an art and science is science.


Science is an evolving beast.

Yes of course, some things could be wrong and another Scientists will come up with evidence to expand on previous laws and theories. Science began with the Ancient Greeks, but Scientists today have added to some of the initial findings of the Ancients and disproven others. That's what Science is all about.

But you believe that God created the Big Bang well the laws of Physics as we know today state that something (such as the Big bang) can't just simply occur without cause or effect. Quantum Physics has an explanation as to what exactly did occur before the big bang.

But since the laws of Physics claim that everything has a cause and effect, and that god created the big bang, how on earth did God just appear out of nothing? There has to be a cause and effect for his existence as well. So who created God???


Well, this is where we run in to an infinity argument.

If you say that something cannot be created out of nothing then something always existed. So if that is the case then how can there be a time = 0 for the big bang to happen?
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:56 am

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Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:From a scientific perspective I believe it and although a lot of it goes well over my head, another scientist could disprove it if the proof provided is unsubstantiated.

If you are going to employ science to explain something then it has to be precise because mathematics and physics are involved.

Religion and science are two different subjects. Religion is more of an art and science is science.


Science is an evolving beast.

Yes of course, some things could be wrong and another Scientists will come up with evidence to expand on previous laws and theories. Science began with the Ancient Greeks, but Scientists today have added to some of the initial findings of the Ancients and disproven others. That's what Science is all about.

But you believe that God created the Big Bang well the laws of Physics as we know today state that something (such as the Big bang) can't just simply occur without cause or effect. Quantum Physics has an explanation as to what exactly did occur before the big bang.

But since the laws of Physics claim that everything has a cause and effect, and that god created the big bang, how on earth did God just appear out of nothing? There has to be a cause and effect for his existence as well. So who created God???


Well, this is where we run in to an infinity argument.

If you say that something cannot be created out of nothing then something always existed. So if that is the case then how can there be a time = 0 for the big bang to happen?


Scientists are only claiming that there was never a NOTHING. There was definitely something and every something has its cause and effect.

There is also the time argument and I am not very knowledgeable about this at all. These questions are better answered by Scientists who specialize in this area because I could never do it any justice.

Therefore, who created God?
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Maximus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:58 am

Perhaps we have reached the limits of our comprehension. This is where science stops and faith starts.
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:03 am

Maximus wrote:Perhaps we have reached the limits of our comprehension. This is where science stops and faith starts.


No I can comprehend much more by looking at the Science. You should do the same.

We are both smart enough to understand, it just takes time and a lot of research into very complex matters. It's certainly very fascinating, but it is a very daunting science at the same time due to the complexities of the scenarios.

Have faith in humans and the Science because that is all we have. Put the mythology to one side and let's explore for ourselves.
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Maximus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:07 am

Fascinating it is but to me, science and art are two different subjects.
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:16 am

Maximus wrote:Fascinating it is but to me, science and art are two different subjects.


What's art got to do with God?
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Maximus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:29 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:Fascinating it is but to me, science and art are two different subjects.


What's art got to do with God?


I see the subject of religion as part of the arts.

Subjects are categorized as either the arts or the sciences.
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:06 am

According to the so-called holy books of the Abrahamic religions, humans were created five days after the universe first came into existence. Physics now shows that humans appeared about 13.5 billion years after the universe came into being. Just how wrong can you be?
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Re: Year 5775 - and so the Choirokitians never existed!

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:49 pm

When Genesis says things happened:

Day 1: Heaven, Earth, Night, and Day.
Day 2: “The Expanse”, a.k.a more Heaven
Day 3: Land, Ocean, and Fruit/Seed Producing Plants.
Day 4: Sun, Moon, and Stars.
Day 5: Sea creatures, and Birds.
Day 6: Land creatures, and Man.

When Physics says they happened:

15 billion years ago: The Big Bang
13 billion years ago: Galaxies Formed
4.7 billion years ago: Our solar system formed, including the Earth
4 billion years ago: Liquid water
3 billion years ago: Blue-Green Bacteria
650 million years ago: Jellyfish
380 million years ago: Insects
250 million years ago: Dinosaurs
150 million years ago: Birds
40 million years ago: Cows
0.2 million years ago: Neanderthals
0.1 million years ago: Modern Humans
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